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re: You must reevaluate your perception of star ratings. A breakdown.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:37 pm to RBWilliams8
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:37 pm to RBWilliams8
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There is rarely any useful data in transitive property.
Indiana played no one this regular season except Oregon and Ohio State.
In the playoffs, they handed Alabama their 4th loss, 2nd blow out loss.. and then beat Oregon, again (and Oregons only win is USC).
Will Indiana beat Miami? Maybe- but they arent what they are being made out to be. This is recency bias and marketing.
Also, stars matter. They absolutely matter. Load management also matters. These other teams beat each other up all year while Indiana has been tuning up. Indiana team is almost 5th year senior as a law of average not exceptions.
Miami has beaten Ohio State, Texas AM and Ole Miss. Miami has objectively proven more.
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Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:37 pm to Ebridg3
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Miami beat Ohio State much more handily than IU
For the 1,000th time, there's no such thing as transitive property in football. I don't know what the hell you were watching, but I saw the most disciplined, physical, and well coached team play tonight and absolutely boat race Oregon
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:37 pm to RBWilliams8
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TL:DR version = Stop stargazing. Let Coach Kiffin do his thing and remember that this is a rebuild that started in the final moments of the recruiting cycle. We do have talent. We also had a lot of highly rated players who didn't really contribute. Or that were head cases. Locker room cancer. However you want to put it. We also need to stop freaking out every time a highly rated high school player that never did shite @ LSU enters the portal. With the exception of a few, many times, we are better off not trying to force a 4*/5* tag in a role that isn't clicking. The difference is that we now have coaches who can evaluate and develop talent. There's still a lot of moves to be made. It doesn't happen overnight.
There’s never just one way to build a team. Look at Miami. They are VERY successful doing things much closer to the old way. They are focused on high level HS recruiting and using NIL to get those kids and retain and develop them. Then they use the portal to supplement. It’s hard to argue with their success either. It was very clear last night and vs A&M that they have better lines of scrimmage than any SEC program at the moment.
As for Indiana- anyone trying to exactly copy what they are doing is likely to fail the way that those who have attempted to copy elite college and pro programs in the past have. If you don’t have an elite head coach like Cignetti, you likely aren’t going to make this work.
As for Kiffin, he’s proven he can succeed with this kind of approach on offense, but it’s still not at reason to disregard talent. He has made it clear he came here partly because of LSU’s inherent recruiting advantages, which may indicate he doesn’t plan on playing moneyball across the board once things stabilize after this cycle. He certainly didn’t shy away from holding onto our top 4 and 5 star recruits this cycle. And he’s already taken a few runs at highly-rated players in this portal.
As for the defense, Baker does prefer to aim for high-level talent and if that’s how he wants to handle the his unit, keep letting him do that.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:41 pm to jrobic4
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For the 1,000th time, there's no such thing as transitive property in football. I don't know what the hell you were watching, but I saw the most disciplined, physical, and well coached team play tonight and absolutely boat race Oregon
Matchups.
Miami is built like an old school SEC team.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:45 pm to RBWilliams8
Great post man. I agree to a certain degree but star rating is still going to matter and always will.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:46 pm to Ebridg3
Im not saying miamis style of play cant beat indiana. I believe that style can beat indiana. My doubt is based on how stupid they play. They are undisciplined, their head coach doesnt manage the clock well, they dont have a great kicker, and their OC is just not good at in game adjustments.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:51 pm to Ebridg3
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Miami is built like an old school SEC team
I think the game will be closer, but give me Indiana. Something like 28-17
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:04 pm to misey94
It's hardly a supplement when half of their starters are from the portal.
You're absolutely correct here
Also correct in Baker's style. To be clear, I was never insinuating that we abandon the pursuit of highly ranked players. Just that they aren't as make-or-break as they were in the past. I've mentioned we had talent in the OP. And Baker IS getting highly ranked players. We seem to be building one of the better Defensive lines we've seen in a hot minute. I trust what they're doing is all.
You're absolutely correct here
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There’s never just one way to build a team
Also correct in Baker's style. To be clear, I was never insinuating that we abandon the pursuit of highly ranked players. Just that they aren't as make-or-break as they were in the past. I've mentioned we had talent in the OP. And Baker IS getting highly ranked players. We seem to be building one of the better Defensive lines we've seen in a hot minute. I trust what they're doing is all.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:06 pm to Geauxldninja
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star rating is still going to matter and always will.
Absolutely. But the days of high school players having our balls in a vice are hopefully over.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:08 pm to RBWilliams8
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It's hardly a supplement when half of their starters are from the portal.
Many of their top players like Toney are home grown. Their lines of scrimmage on both sides are mostly developed recruits, and that’s the main strength of their program. That’s what I was getting at.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:10 pm to RBWilliams8
Indiana has surprised me at every turn this year, earlier in the year I questioned the level of competition, but they continue improving as a team and have dominated some of the juggernauts of the college football world/
you have to tip the hat to them, I don't think Miami has what it takes but we will see.
Great post and great proof of evidence. It proves that teams that grow old together and remain intact play better as a unit. Indiana has a few transfers but its nothing like some of these other programs.
you have to tip the hat to them, I don't think Miami has what it takes but we will see.
Great post and great proof of evidence. It proves that teams that grow old together and remain intact play better as a unit. Indiana has a few transfers but its nothing like some of these other programs.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:15 pm to Ebridg3
quote:I'll take that bet.
Us team is 24 years old and they still will not beat Miami.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:18 pm to RBWilliams8
This post is an all timer.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:27 pm to misey94
Key Offensive Starters/Contributors
QB: Carson Beck (Sr.)
RB: Mark Fletcher Jr. (Jr.), Jordan Lyle (So.), CharMar Brown (So.)
WR: Keelan Marion (Sr.), CJ Daniels (Sr.), Joshisa Trader (So.), Ray Ray Joseph (Jr.)
TE: Elija Lofton (So.), Alex Bauman (Sr.)
OL: Markel Bell (Sr.), James Brockermeyer (Sr.), Anez Cooper (Sr.), Francis Mauigoa (Jr.)
Key Defensive Starters/Contributors
DE: Rueben Bain Jr., Akheem Mesidor (Sr.)
DT: David Blay Jr. (RS Sr./TR)
LB: Wesley Bissainthe, Chase Smith (Sr.), Cam "Bobby" Pruitt (So.)
CB: OJ Frederique Jr. (Sr.), Keionte Scott (Sr.)
S: Zechariah Poyser, Jakobe Thomas (Jr.)
QB: Carson Beck (Sr.)
RB: Mark Fletcher Jr. (Jr.), Jordan Lyle (So.), CharMar Brown (So.)
WR: Keelan Marion (Sr.), CJ Daniels (Sr.), Joshisa Trader (So.), Ray Ray Joseph (Jr.)
TE: Elija Lofton (So.), Alex Bauman (Sr.)
OL: Markel Bell (Sr.), James Brockermeyer (Sr.), Anez Cooper (Sr.), Francis Mauigoa (Jr.)
Key Defensive Starters/Contributors
DE: Rueben Bain Jr., Akheem Mesidor (Sr.)
DT: David Blay Jr. (RS Sr./TR)
LB: Wesley Bissainthe, Chase Smith (Sr.), Cam "Bobby" Pruitt (So.)
CB: OJ Frederique Jr. (Sr.), Keionte Scott (Sr.)
S: Zechariah Poyser, Jakobe Thomas (Jr.)
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:54 pm to RBWilliams8
This season has absolutely been an anomaly, but I don’t think you can take the results of one off season and declare that the college football order has been completely turned on its head. Let’s wait and see if it happens again. Also, I completely disagree with the notion that Oregon’s roster isn’t built on blue chips. Ole Miss would be the better team to support your argument.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 6:12 am to StadiumDormNEZ72
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So, hypothetical: School X can want local HS Hero to play QB for them- so rather than wait on bench a cpl yrs, School X advises them to go to a small school where they can win the start and get playing time and experience, and promise to “come get them in two years” when they are ready for the Big Time?
No, it’s like he said, it’s about roi. If it takes him 2 years to get ready then that could means it cost the team $2m/ yr so $4m to ride the bench. That’s $2m/year or $4m total, you could’ve spent on another position to start or multiple depth guys. If a developmental QB isn’t willing to sit at a highly discounted price then we can’t afford him on our roster because he takes away from other positions quality of depth. Let’s face it, typically when your starting QBgoes down, your season is over anyway. There are few exceptions but this holds true for the most part.
This post was edited on 1/10/26 at 6:17 am
Posted on 1/10/26 at 7:26 am to RBWilliams8
Production over potential - who knew?
Posted on 1/10/26 at 7:30 am to Ebridg3
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IUs team is 24 years old and they still will not beat Miami.
I suggest you not bet on that game.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 7:31 am to RBWilliams8
Grown men that have been eating and lifting for 3-4 more years > talented with high potential 18 years olds. There are exceptions but they are rare and typically the skill positions.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 7:46 am to RBWilliams8
Yeah, I picked my userid well. 
The transfer portal is the latest indictment of the star system chosen by "experts". Look at all the players who LOSE 1 or 2* between HS say 2 years ago and their rating now in the portal or GAIN 1 or 2* between HS and the portal.
Related to current potential LSU QB prospects, watching Longstreet (USC) "highlights" against Missouri State, no way does that guy look like a 5*... more like a high 3*. He better have a lot better video than that because a 5* even as a TR FR should look a hell of a lot better than that.
The transfer portal is the latest indictment of the star system chosen by "experts". Look at all the players who LOSE 1 or 2* between HS say 2 years ago and their rating now in the portal or GAIN 1 or 2* between HS and the portal. Related to current potential LSU QB prospects, watching Longstreet (USC) "highlights" against Missouri State, no way does that guy look like a 5*... more like a high 3*. He better have a lot better video than that because a 5* even as a TR FR should look a hell of a lot better than that.
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