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re: An idea to start Fixing CFB's opt out issue
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:48 pm to G&P
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:48 pm to G&P
The NFL makes the rule of 3yrs removed from HS yet the NFL has nowhere for these kids to go. Also, i wasnt saying its an LSU problem this year. Im saying its a problem that anytime a star is on shitty team or gets minor injury this is the first topic. That IS a problem. It hurts the game.
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:51 pm to lsudocts
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The incentive is they dont have to play and risk injury or poor play hurting their prospect in the draft. Pretty much the same.
The risk of injury in baseball vs. football is anything but "pretty much the same". Even for pitchers, if you shut down early it could scare off teams from a draft perspective.
Football players have a ton more incentive to opt out early. I really don't think there's much of an argument otherwise.
Furthermore, there being a minor league has zero to do with why baseball players don't opt out early. That's just illogical.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:52 pm to lsudocts
That ship has already sailed. It is over.
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:52 pm to lsudocts
That ship has already sailed. It is over.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:55 pm to Dizz
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Very very few players can sit out a year and not hurt their draft status
#1, the opt-outs won't always be the entire season. At LSU we've see the Chase, the Fournette, the Stingley. As soon as the player thinks he has positioned himself for the draft, that conversation will start.
#2, with opt-outs becoming more common, the NFL will adjust and players just won't be viewed negatively when it happens.
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When it comes bowl time more players will shut it down to prep for the draft.
This was 3 years ago. You are behind the times. Those same decisions are happening and will happen more and more during the season.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:56 pm to lsudocts
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The NFL makes the rule of 3yrs removed from HS yet the NFL has nowhere for these kids to go.
That BENEFITS college football. Your logic is completely backwards.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 3:15 pm to moneyg
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#2, with opt-outs becoming more common, the NFL will adjust and players just won't be viewed negatively when it happens.
The NFL doesn't care about players sitting out. If a player sits out with enough tape to be top 5 pick they will be a top 5 pick. The NFL isn't adjusting anything for a 2-3 round player who sits out their grade will be what it is when they stop playing.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 3:22 pm to lsudocts
The solution is to win at a high level. How many players are opting out from a team with a chance at a natty? The only incentive now is for fans not to say mean things about them on a message board
Posted on 9/24/21 at 3:35 pm to lsudocts
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Simple...just make it like baseball
wow you figured it how, amazing that no one has thought of that before
besides op outs are only a problem for some disgruntled, mostly middle age white men
Posted on 9/24/21 at 4:39 pm to deuce985
In this case I think coaching has a lot less to do with it than we may think. I suspect external factors start to take effect long before they become systemic and then become internalized.
My best example(s) would be former coaches at LSU . Mike Archer fell apart not because of anything he was or was not doing. The recruiting landscape changed and he becomes a victim of it due to Armsparger literally saying frick it to recruiting after the 1985 season. He literally paid no attention to recruiting and Brodhead did not understand why camping outside of a recruits house was so important. These were guys from the pro world.
A lot of times coaches also become victim to bad bosses. Hallman and Archer had to put up with Joe Dean. I can tell you that Joe Dean was about 75% of LSU's problem in the '90s . Hallman was literally paying his own money sometimes to do recruiting trips.
My best example(s) would be former coaches at LSU . Mike Archer fell apart not because of anything he was or was not doing. The recruiting landscape changed and he becomes a victim of it due to Armsparger literally saying frick it to recruiting after the 1985 season. He literally paid no attention to recruiting and Brodhead did not understand why camping outside of a recruits house was so important. These were guys from the pro world.
A lot of times coaches also become victim to bad bosses. Hallman and Archer had to put up with Joe Dean. I can tell you that Joe Dean was about 75% of LSU's problem in the '90s . Hallman was literally paying his own money sometimes to do recruiting trips.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 5:30 pm to lsudocts
It won’t stop until the NFL starts ding-ing these draft prospects for opting out. Until coaches, GMs, etc start weighing “this guy may be the top-rated corner but the number 2 has heart, isn’t as likely to be a camp holdout, and is almost just as good” it won’t change.
Here’s the thing: would you draft a player who really doesn’t have much terrific tape other than a few big plays, is an injury risk that can’t stay on the field, gets burned way too often and way too badly for the hype, is a questionable tackler and lacks a lot of intangibles over the next best player at that position?
Here’s the thing: would you draft a player who really doesn’t have much terrific tape other than a few big plays, is an injury risk that can’t stay on the field, gets burned way too often and way too badly for the hype, is a questionable tackler and lacks a lot of intangibles over the next best player at that position?
Posted on 9/24/21 at 5:35 pm to lsudocts
Minor league football won't work. Unlike baseball, NFL teams aren't going to finance a farm system. It's too easy to build a roster through the draft and free agency and roster turnover is already high. Even with MLB financing, minor leaguers are poorly paid. Minor league football would have to survive on TV revenue and ticket sales. Good luck with that. Nobody wants pay to to watch players a year or two removed from HS they've never heard of playing for some team they've never heard of. Any HS player considered to be good enough for the NFL after 3 college seasons can make more off his NIL and get three years of college paid for with same injury risk of minor league chump change.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 6:07 pm to moneyg
Not a single player on any team has opt out so far this year. People on this board amaze me.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 6:26 pm to lsudocts
Can we stop using the phrase "opt out"? Lets call it what it is, its quitting.. Opting out was for last year alone due to covid..
Posted on 9/24/21 at 7:44 pm to moneyg
Money G u have totally missed my point. CFB has never depended on premium talent to be popular especially if that premium talent is only using CFB as a means to get to the NFL. Let guys who merely want to be pro have a way to do that. All good though. It was for discussion only.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 7:54 pm to lsudocts
Devonta Smith will be drafted before ja’marr chase
Posted on 9/24/21 at 7:56 pm to moneyg
Fournette did not opt out!! He just decided to not play in a meaningless bowl game. That dude gave his body up for LSU for 3 years. You should never include him in this discussion if you really watched him play.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 10:01 pm to deuce985
To my knowledge we don’t have 1 opt out this season yet. Last year was crazy but can we at least have 1 official opt out before freaking out about all the opt outs.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 10:09 pm to TheFranchise
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Here’s the thing: would you draft a player who really doesn’t have much terrific tape other than a few big plays, is an injury risk that can’t stay on the field, gets burned way too often and way too badly for the hype,
The Dolphins would.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 10:13 pm to Dizz
Just wait when we are 2-5 and see how many injuries lead to opt outs. You are about to be shocked.
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