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Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:06 am to Bayoufightingtiger
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So for the second year in a row, a top pitcher goes down due to muscle fatigue.
Nope
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Just like Walker last year, being over worked at the end of the season makes no sense.
Nope again
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Read the article from last year and decide for yourself.
I did and you're dead wrong.
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When you are experiencing muscle fatigue, you should not be pitching in a simulated game during post season (Walker's injury)or on short days rest for the SEC tourney (Hilliard)
So who's to blame here? CPM? Dunn? Hilliard? You can't imagine he told Alan Dunn about it and was ignored, or that CPM found out and said who cares, pitch anyways.
What in CPM's history at LSU makes you think he would force this kid to throw?
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:07 am to LSURussian
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ou're a liar. Tommy John surgery is not performed to fix muscle fatigue. Stupid.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:09 am to JohnnyU
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The perception may not be fair and not reality but, it does seem like we lose more than a few pitchers to injury every year. I don't how we compare to other program with arm or shoulder injuries so maybe it's typical.
This has been repeated multiple times in this thread yet nobody can give a specific list or even numbers
So why don’t you prove your statement is correct
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:27 am to Hot Carl
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Yeah, pitchers can’t have MRIs on their shoulders and elbows after every outing—they have to rely on communication from the player. If Walker said he felt fine, that’s all they could really go on. But I think UCLs/ “Tommy Johns” are kinda different. It’s almost like at some point they’re inevitable. It’s years of wear and tear not just the one outing/inning/pitch that eventually becomes the final straw. Walker could have not pitched in that simulated game, but was still already destined for surgery. Only a matter of delaying it a bit.
THIS
I remember last year, there being a very long thread about Walker's injury, and those accusing Mainieri of not managing things properly. I wrote a fairly long explanation of UCL injuries, and I don't feel like repeating it all again. For those who want to go look it up, go for it. In short, what Hot Carl is saying is true. They can be extremely hard to diagnose in the early developing stages of the injury (UCL injuries). I've NEVER felt, in one single instance, that Mainieri mismanaged any of his players in regards to over-use, or pushing them through injury. We can all have a different discussion about base running miscues, and our hitters' approaches to the plate, etc. BUT... Mainieri DOES NOT mismanage his players when it comes to their health. In short, some of these injuries are hard to diagnose, and coaches have to simply rely on trainers and team doctors, along with talking to the athletes. Another difficulty we have within the sports medicine world, especially in game time situations, is that athletes often want to "toughen up" and not tell us exactly what's going on, because they want to be a warrior for their team. Criticize Mainieri for other things if you'd like, but not here.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:31 am to DocRock
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I remember last year, there being a very long thread about Walker's injury, and those accusing Mainieri of not managing things properly. I wrote a fairly long explanation of UCL injuries, and I don't feel like repeating it all again. For those who want to go look it up, go for it. In short, what Hot Carl is saying is true. They can be extremely hard to diagnose in the early developing stages of the injury (UCL injuries). I've NEVER felt, in one single instance, that Mainieri mismanaged any of his players in regards to over-use, or pushing them through injury. We can all have a different discussion about base running miscues, and our hitters' approaches to the plate, etc. BUT... Mainieri DOES NOT mismanage his players when it comes to their health. In short, some of these injuries are hard to diagnose, and coaches have to simply rely on trainers and team doctors, along with talking to the athletes. Another difficulty we have within the sports medicine world, especially in game time situations, is that athletes often want to "toughen up" and not tell us exactly what's going on, because they want to be a warrior for their team. Criticize Mainieri for other things if you'd like, but not here.
Post of the Year!!
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:34 am to LSURussian
I'd say if anything Maineri is more cautious with pitchers that most coaches. He always seems to pull pitchers and keep them on pretty strict pitch counts.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:51 am to Glock17
quote:Exactly.
if anything Maineri is more cautious with pitchers that most coaches.
I know many posters on this board, me included, get upset with Mainieri for not getting pitchers warming up in the bullpen sooner than he does.
But he's said several times he doesn't want to have a pitcher warm up and then sit down and then get back up again or not pitch at all because he's been told that warming up, cooling down and then warming up again risks the pitcher's health.
So he only gets pitchers warming up when he knows they are going into the game. That sometimes might cost us some runs when the pitcher in the game goes longer than we'd like.
But Mainieri is looking out his pitchers' health.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:55 am to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:sheesh you got your arse handed to you in your own thread
Bayoufightingtiger
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:59 am to justice
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sheesh you got your arse handed to you in your own thread
To be fair, he got his arse handed to him in a different thread where he posted all this same shite and decided it wasn't visible enough so he started the new thread.
It's like he's a glutton for punishment.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 11:01 am to Glock17
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I'd say if anything Maineri is more cautious with pitchers that most coaches. He always seems to pull pitchers and keep them on pretty strict pitch counts.
Exactly. Didn't he pull Cam Sanders in the Ole Miss game because of this? Cam was absolutely cruising, and I hated to see him pulled, but I totally understood why.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 11:38 am to Midtiger farm
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So why don’t you prove your statement is correct
What don’t you understand about the words “perception” and “seems like”?
Latz, Storz, Walker, Reynolds, Newman, Cartwright, Smith, Strall. Is that enough for you.
Some of those may have been minor or not arm injuries. I don’t recall. But, we’re talking about perception.
Now we have Labas and Hilliard. Perception. Learn it’s meaning!
Posted on 6/1/18 at 11:44 am to Bayoufightingtiger
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Bayoufightingtiger
Where'd you go?
Come back. This is good stuff.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 12:07 pm to JohnnyU
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What don’t you understand about the words “perception” and “seems like”?
Well instead of posting about your perception maybe do some research to see if it is true
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Latz, Storz, Walker, Reynolds, Newman, Cartwright, Smith, Strall.
You named 10 guys over 6 seasons. That's not a lot
Latz, Labas, and Storz had injuries before they got here
Who is Smith? When did Strall have an injury?
Posted on 6/1/18 at 12:14 pm to LSURussian
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Post of the Year
So you agree that Mainieir’s base running and hitting philosophies are questionable?
Posted on 6/1/18 at 12:19 pm to Midtiger farm
From geaux247 “Righties Riley Smith and Collin Strall have been sidelined with undiagnosed shoulder problems, Strall for about two weeks and Smith’s troubles coming to coach Paul Mainieri’s attention just 15 minutes before he addressed reporters on Wednesday.”
Because perception makes it seems like we have more than our share of injuries to pitchers. I clearly stated that perception may not equal reality.
Ps: kindly GFY
Because perception makes it seems like we have more than our share of injuries to pitchers. I clearly stated that perception may not equal reality.
Ps: kindly GFY
Posted on 6/1/18 at 12:20 pm to doubleb
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Yes, a second time!!
First time he wasn't being pampered atvall....pitched him like a rented mule
Posted on 6/1/18 at 12:23 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
You know nothing.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 1:30 pm to 0
From reading this thread, I have figured out that BFT likes to stir up huge piles of do-do, by making unsubstantiated & dumbass remarks about LSU's baseball coach/coaches. Also, learned that the Russian & Paul are on a 1st name basis, and that DocRock has nailed this thread on his wall with the post of the year!
Only thing Hilliard & Walker have in common is how good they pitched in their freshman year. Their injuries are not the same according to what I have heard. Bain had bone spurs during his freshman year, but never said anything until after the season, if I remember correctly. And he had to have surgery. Pitchers coming from high school are always susceptible to fatigue/soreness late in the season due to not ever having thrown that much during the course of the fall & spring. Plus, in the case of our unicorns, the injuries occur before they get here.
Always thought of pitchers as race horses, some make it, some don't. But they're generally all studs at 1 time or another.
Only thing Hilliard & Walker have in common is how good they pitched in their freshman year. Their injuries are not the same according to what I have heard. Bain had bone spurs during his freshman year, but never said anything until after the season, if I remember correctly. And he had to have surgery. Pitchers coming from high school are always susceptible to fatigue/soreness late in the season due to not ever having thrown that much during the course of the fall & spring. Plus, in the case of our unicorns, the injuries occur before they get here.
Always thought of pitchers as race horses, some make it, some don't. But they're generally all studs at 1 time or another.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 1:39 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
I made it through two pages before I had to stop reading this thread. Good Lord, some of you are mouth breathingly retarded.
Yes, OP, you are included in that group.
Yes, OP, you are included in that group.
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