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re: For younger workers, job hopping has lost its stigma. Should it?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:44 pm to CaddoTiger64
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:44 pm to CaddoTiger64
I have 31+ years with two companies that are now Merged into one company.
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Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:45 pm to NIH
That’s not job hopping if you move to the firm and stay…that’s career management
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:45 pm to lynxcat
Huh
I meant moving firms
I meant moving firms
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:47 pm to Fat and Happy
Well said sir. I especially liked the part where you said “red flag these nuts”
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:48 pm to billjamin
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The only job hopping I worry about is when it’s lateral moves.
Not currently in a position that deals with hiring, but when I was in the past, that's what I was looking at. If it was a "better" position, I had no issue whatsoever. If it was a "lateral" position, I was looking to see whether they could articulate why those previous positions, or this position, is a better fit for them. If they can, no issue. If they can't, then I might be concerned if they had been at their previous position for less than two years. If it had been two years or more, maybe something to keep an eye on, but not a deal breaker.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:52 pm to CaddoTiger64
I’ve met with financial groups who think staying at a job more than 5 years is a red flag for complacency.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:52 pm to CaddoTiger64
quote:psyop intended to keep labor costs down
Dawn Fay, operational president for talent solutions and business consulting at Robert Half, said in an email that the survey also asked hiring managers their top concerns when evaluating a candidate’s resume: 77% named job hopping.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:53 pm to CaddoTiger64
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Dawn Fay, operational president for talent solutions and business consulting at Robert Half, said in an email that the survey also asked hiring managers their top concerns when evaluating a candidate’s resume: 77% named job hopping.
Boomers still think it’s 1975.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:55 pm to CocomoLSU
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agree that you can make more money hopping. However, a lot of times people don’t want to hire someone they’ll train to leave in a year or two. So I get both sides of it.
The smart thing for employers to do is when they hire someone to put on paper what is expected performance wise and guarantee a certain percentage raise after certain milestones are hit. Add in performance based bonuses for going above and beyond the standard performance requirement
This lets the employee know up front hard work and loyalty will be rewarded in time and reduces the chance he will seek out a new job in 2 years
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:56 pm to lynxcat
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Even if promotions at different companies, that’s a red flag. I want to see promotions at the same company ideally.
Is it really though? I’ve been at 3 different companies in a 5 year period - two voluntary job switches. However, on the move from company #2 to company #3, company #3 actually reached out to me first during the “Great Resignation” period during the early part of 2022. Company #3 came through with an offer that gave me a 70% raise and increased my territory 15x. The bonus structure is way better too.
I took that job with the quickness and truly did not care what the optics were in terms of “job hopping”. It came up once in the interviews why I wanted to leave the old company. I told them that it wasn’t about wanting to leave my current company but that this new opportunity seemed even better than initially anticipated.
I think each case warrants its own considerations.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:58 pm to CaddoTiger64
If you work five years for a company and haven’t positioned yourself for a promotion to a higher paying position then you probably should change jobs. But hopefully you perform better at you next job.
I started at an entry level position and within five years promoted to a supervisory role with good increase in pay. Did that role for five years and promoted into a management role for another good bump in pay. Did that role for three years and had opportunity to move into sales with a separate division within our company. Was lateral in pay but did increase my skill set within the company. Did that for three years and switched to yet a third division within my company back into a mangement role for a slight bump in pay. Did that role for four years and then moved into a higher level management position with another good bump in pay and have been doing that for past four years. I really enjoy what I am currently doing and am making good money. I will likely try to hang into this position til I retire. There is one corporate level position that I have been positioning myself for. If it were to come to fruition great but if not, I and content where I am. 25 years and all at one company.
My point is that every few years I had positioned myself to move up and make more. I didn’t just expect someone to give me more money because I was changing jobs. All this bullshite about what the company owes you. They owe you a paycheck and a safe environment to work in. You owe them 40 hours of your best job performance. As long as you are giving them the work and they are giving you a paycheck then both sides have fulfilled their agreement.
I started at an entry level position and within five years promoted to a supervisory role with good increase in pay. Did that role for five years and promoted into a management role for another good bump in pay. Did that role for three years and had opportunity to move into sales with a separate division within our company. Was lateral in pay but did increase my skill set within the company. Did that for three years and switched to yet a third division within my company back into a mangement role for a slight bump in pay. Did that role for four years and then moved into a higher level management position with another good bump in pay and have been doing that for past four years. I really enjoy what I am currently doing and am making good money. I will likely try to hang into this position til I retire. There is one corporate level position that I have been positioning myself for. If it were to come to fruition great but if not, I and content where I am. 25 years and all at one company.
My point is that every few years I had positioned myself to move up and make more. I didn’t just expect someone to give me more money because I was changing jobs. All this bullshite about what the company owes you. They owe you a paycheck and a safe environment to work in. You owe them 40 hours of your best job performance. As long as you are giving them the work and they are giving you a paycheck then both sides have fulfilled their agreement.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:00 pm to CoolHand
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This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:07 pm to CaddoTiger64
I feel like an idiot for not job hopping. I've left a lot of money on the table.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:07 pm to Kingshakabooboo
quote:way too long for someone at the beginning of their career
If you work five years for a company and haven’t positioned yourself for a promotion to a higher paying position then you probably should change jobs.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:13 pm to CoolHand
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Most employers don't reward "loyalty".
They do however, reward performance.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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You’re free to job hop. Potential employers are free to hold it against you.
I view job hopping in a similar vein as young, slutty chicks who hop from dude to dude, trading up in their own minds. At the end of the day, they’re sluts.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:14 pm to VABuckeye
quote:and diversity
They do however, reward performance.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:15 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
People underestimate the importance of Glassdoor in job movement. Before you sign on you can tell almost exact compensation for your position and those above.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:16 pm to CoolHand
“ Most employers don't reward "loyalty". ”
This.
This.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:19 pm to lynxcat
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They do if you are a promotable future leader of the company. And, if you are willing to stand up for yourself when you see a pay discrepancy emerge.
Lol
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