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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:01 am to
Posted by brsa
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:01 am to
i would think a homeowner would be more concerned about saving his home rather than Sago palm.
Posted by terriblegreen
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Member since Aug 2011
12149 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:01 am to
They could wrap each house in Nomex.
Posted by F1y0n7h3W4LL
Below I-10
Member since Jul 2019
3832 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:09 am to
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What do you think happens to land if you pour ocean water filled with salt on it?
Given the choice between salt water killing my lawn and fire burning it and my house up, I would opt for the salt water.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
94798 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:26 am to
They need a helo outfitted with an outrigger to blow some antiretardant foam around the area to limit the path.
I'm with you though OP - surprised it hasn't been designed yet.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
10897 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:27 am to
Do you understand how hot these fires and their embers are getting and how much the wind blows the embers around with no way to stop it?
Posted by StanSmith
Member since May 2018
1072 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:28 am to
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With the shortage of water I doubt it would work if every house started pulling from the water source.


And that's part of the problem along with the needed infrastructure to distribute and pump water. Kinda of ironic to see a massive wild fire right next to the largest ocean on earth. Water water everywhere but not a drop to drink or fight a fire with.
Their problem is similar to Houston. A massive metro area where development is done regardless of what nature will do in any given year. Flooding in Houston and fires in LA are a great example of nature giving the big middle finger to man's plans.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
21198 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:51 am to
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Yeah the government planned and produced the 40mph winds they've been getting. Gotta be the evil government. Definitely not nature doing what it's been doing for millions of years. The government.

Trump took control of the weather controls before inauguration? Time for his next impeachment.
Posted by DougProto
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:56 am to
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20926 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:43 am to
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Given the choice between salt water killing my lawn and fire burning it and my house up, I would opt for the salt water

So you'd rather turn your area into a desert, susceptible to wind erosion and landslides? That seems quite shortsighted.
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:58 am to
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Posted by brsa
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Sep 2007
1277 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:20 pm to
The salt water could be a viable second line of defense in this particular situation. Not for everyday firefighting IMO.

One time salt water intrusion would not eliminate vegetation altogether and would come back the following year
Look at St. Bernard after Katrina. Most trees survived and everything grew back with a vengeance.
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
6417 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:23 pm to
The value of the home in that area isn’t the house but the land my brother
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
149182 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:23 pm to
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why hasn't a self contained fire suppression system been developed? Couldn't a foam be sprayed over the structure via a sprinkler system?

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HeadSlash
Posted by ChiTownBammer
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
1460 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:27 pm to
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block/concrete homes

This would help with the fires but is worthless when it comes to earthquakes.
Posted by hometownhero89
Center of the Earth
Member since Aug 2007
2083 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:38 pm to
Waterless fire suppression systems are expensive for banks. So not affordable at scale for homes.

You’ve gotta have a tank or piping to distribute. There’s not a big enough fire blanket for a house.
Posted by Dadren
Jawja
Member since Dec 2023
3221 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:54 pm to
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So you'd rather turn your area into a desert, susceptible to wind erosion and landslides? That seems quite shortsighted.

Just talking about neighborhoods, I’d think it would be cheaper to solve for salty soil/destroyed yards than it would be to remove burned down homes and rebuild them. Even if you have to scrape away some inches of top soil it still seems like the less terrible solution.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36593 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:57 pm to
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What do you think happens to land if you pour ocean water filled with salt on it?



Nothing grows for a short period of time. It's not like they would never have brush again
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
6279 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 2:04 pm to
As a house burns down, I’m assuming the water pipes just keep running water. All of these houses burning at once has to be a major problem. Is there any kind of automatic shutoff where the water connects to the main city water line?
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11612 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 2:08 pm to
When Gatlinburg TN had their massive fire, a neighbor of ours worked one subdivision making sure all the natural gas pipes were empty. He found something that had been Aluminum, that had flowed and looked like ice cycles , except of AL. Blow torch level heat.

The fires near Colorado Springs had one house survive because the owner used a Fire resistant sheathing and a lot of other materials. It got some coverage just after the fires burned through, so should be searchable.
Posted by brsa
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Sep 2007
1277 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 3:47 pm to
They are literally scooping massive of amounts of ocean water by plane and dumping it on fires anyway.
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