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Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:06 am to Baws
1. Make the entry level pay competitive with other professions, with commensurate hiring standards. Require BA's or equivalent work experience, with hiring bonuses for masters and PhD's in suitable fields like psychology or social work. If a rookie cop started at $125K with strict academic requirements and vetting standards, the police force would look markedly different in a couple of years.
2. Alternatively, make it similar to the military; a cadre of career police officers supervising rank and file officers who treat it as a temporary job; fulfilling their civic/patriotic duty for a few years before going on to their next endeavor. Some European countries do this.
Both suggestions would also work for teachers. Neither would solve all our problems, each would present its own set of problems. But if you're looking for radical ideas, those are two.
2. Alternatively, make it similar to the military; a cadre of career police officers supervising rank and file officers who treat it as a temporary job; fulfilling their civic/patriotic duty for a few years before going on to their next endeavor. Some European countries do this.
Both suggestions would also work for teachers. Neither would solve all our problems, each would present its own set of problems. But if you're looking for radical ideas, those are two.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:06 am to Joshjrn
quote:Well this is probably the first case I remember where you had video and practically everyone from right/left, black/white, rich/poor, etc all agreed that the cop was in the wrong.
So what’s our explanation for not having this conversation any of the other times we have had the opportunity?
Pretty much all of the previous major national stories of a black man dying at the hands of police involved no video evidence, conflicting witness accounts, witnesses who changed their story, etc. So everyone took different sides. George Floyd's case had everyone on the same side for once but instead of talking about that, the only thing people are talking about is total anarchy in 40+ cities.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:07 am to yatesdog38
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:07 am to Baws
Agreed.
This is a reform that should have happened a long time ago. Obama didn't do it. Trumps not doing it.
Cops need to be paid more, trained better, and then held accountable for that training. It should have happened a long time ago, but the George Floyd video was a moment that most of America could agree upon as blatantly wrong. Then the riots started, pushing people who may have had their first taste of empathy back another 20 years.
This is a reform that should have happened a long time ago. Obama didn't do it. Trumps not doing it.
Cops need to be paid more, trained better, and then held accountable for that training. It should have happened a long time ago, but the George Floyd video was a moment that most of America could agree upon as blatantly wrong. Then the riots started, pushing people who may have had their first taste of empathy back another 20 years.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:09 am to yatesdog38
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:11 am to TigersSEC2010
Is that why all the riots and outrage come from big cities?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:16 am to Baws
Among many other positives, ending the war on drugs would do wonders for improving a lot of the police situations we see. How many bad interactions have stemmed from a stop to search for drugs? I would wager a good bit. It would also cut down on the need for a lot of the militarization of the police force.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:16 am to Joshjrn
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So what’s our explanation for not having this conversation any of the other times we have had the opportunity?
Because those in power, on either side of the aisle, don't want change. The prison industry is huge in this country. Nixon started the "War on Drugs," but people forget that Clinton passed the huge "three strikes law" that put more and more people in prison for long periods of time.
No one wants to admit fault or accept responsibility. Honest discussions cannot be had without being called a racist.
As I've posted before, and I'm sure many other think the same way. Things that truly need to reformed and discussed for things to change:
1. Court system in general stacked against the poor.
2. LBJ's "war on poverty" and the societal welfare it created needs to end (would help with fatherless homes).
3. This current version of the "war on drugs" needs to end (would help with fatherless homes and the HIV rate).
4. Facts and statistics, and the reasons for said stats (some of this goes back to 2 & 3), should be discussed rather than shouted down as "racist." (You're not going to gain much sympathy when it's only a big deal when a cop or a white person kills a black person when the black on black crime is off limits to the discussion.)
5. Excessive force, particularly killings at the hands of cops, on all the citizenry regardless of race should be called into question. (something Republicans should be able to get behind.)
6. The over-militarization of police forces should be called into question.
The list is obviously not all-inclusive. I'm sure there are many other things that can be added.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:16 am to IAmNERD
I worked at a parish jail for sometime years back. They asked me if I ever smoked weed. I was honest and told them I had. I was hired with no issue.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:17 am to Tiger Prawn
So instead of people challenging "racism and oppression" which is so broad there is no way it can be challenged, they can get to the root of the problem and challenge union. Maybe it goes to the Supreme Court and their Union is de-strengthened.
Modern Problems Require Modern Solutions.
Modern Problems Require Modern Solutions.
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:20 am to Baws
Reform the justice system first. The stress is high enough as it is.
Imagine arresting a criminal after pursuing them halfway across the county at 90MPH only for some limpwristed judge to let them out again.
I don't think anybody should ever acquire an "extensive rap sheet." Someone on the road to an extensive rap sheet needs to be locked in jail for life or executed. That's how you clean up the streets.
I don't give a frick if the prisons are overcrowded. Build more prisons. I don't want criminals on the street.
LEOs have no control over that. They wake up every day knowing that there's a chance that they run into a criminal they've encountered before thanks to some weak minded judge.
If the people with the power to put criminals away for good actually did that we could clean up this country within a generation.
Imagine arresting a criminal after pursuing them halfway across the county at 90MPH only for some limpwristed judge to let them out again.
I don't think anybody should ever acquire an "extensive rap sheet." Someone on the road to an extensive rap sheet needs to be locked in jail for life or executed. That's how you clean up the streets.
I don't give a frick if the prisons are overcrowded. Build more prisons. I don't want criminals on the street.
LEOs have no control over that. They wake up every day knowing that there's a chance that they run into a criminal they've encountered before thanks to some weak minded judge.
If the people with the power to put criminals away for good actually did that we could clean up this country within a generation.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:22 am to Oilfieldbiology
It’s probably more difficult to get masses to show up and do this in small towns. Also, In smaller towns people know each other and you can’t blend in with the crowd. After you protest or burn a building down, are you gonna be able to remain in a small town without serious issues??? Come on man
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:27 am to LSUJML
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You have to start voting out career politicians at every level
Pay attention to your councilmen & women
Pay attention to who is making the laws in your town, who is in charge of hiring police chiefs, who is on your civil service boards
Look at their motives, look at how they allocate your tax dollars
‘No fricking way.. Posting on facebook about chicken sandwiches and making TikTok videos is way more important than all that stupid civics crap‘
-housewives and college aged people on facebook
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:28 am to DiamondDog
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Hey. How about you take a glock, run around the city in BR responding to every distress call, deal with your life constantly being in danger, then have some crackhead point a cell phone in your face twice a night yelling WorldStar.
Then let’s talk about “police reform”. How about criminal reform? Like don’t commit fricking crime.
Part of police reform can be higher pay and better working arrangements though. This sort of attitude is idiotic.
ETA: The entire system needs reform at every single level, education, police, criminal justice, economics / working conditions. But we are stuck with two old fricks with no new ideas as our presidential candidates after like 30 years of the same old bullshite which has gotten us into this mess.
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:32 am to Topwater Trout
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at what point will they realize protesting doesn't work?
That is a big part of the problem, no?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:32 am to OsTiger78
I mean why don’t we here more about the killings/police brutality in small towns.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:32 am to Baws
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We should open up the hiring pool for cops, do away with petty things like lie detectors if a cop ever smoked Marijuana, he can’t be hired.
The only way to open up the hiring pool, and to effect reform, is to treat them more like professions, which includes paying them a LOT more than we do right now. When you pay them more and support them more, you will get better applicants.
Require a college degree to be a police officer, with an exception if you served in the military for 4 years.
If you pay them enough, you also might be able to stop them from being corrupted, and they won't have to take as many details, which would make them more alert when they are actually on the clock.
It's like anything else, you get what you are willing to pay for.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:33 am to MF Doom
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What is this 2010? Get new memes baw
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:34 am to Baws
That was the fundamental flaw with BLM movement from the beginning. There are legitimate concerns with policing that affect everyone, not just “POC,” but they approached it in a manner that alienated folks that could’ve been allies in bringing about actual change.
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