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re: Has politics always been this toxic?
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:57 am to Rankest
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:57 am to Rankest
quote:
Question for the older crowd
Seems like there isn't much middle ground in U.S. Political banter these days
Since Obama, the democrat party has completely abandoned our founding principle of individual freedom, responsibility, and equal justice for all.
There once were debates by our leadership wrt the best policy for any perceived problem. Now, the 'political arena' has become a battle over whether to progress along our founding principles or to just consolidate power by any means necessary.
The democrat party has adopted the latter. They have lost the trust of Americans who want to follow our inherited norms of individual behavior and resolution of differences.
They have taken the blunt force option to obtain power "by any means necessary." This includes outright cheating in elections, building a welfare state whereby they can amass a majority by sheer multitudes who rely on govt handouts for their very existence, and importing 3rd world hordes that hasten the latter objective.
Politics today is diametrically opposite of when I cast my 1st vote in the 1960 election.
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:07 pm to Rankest
The modern day toxicity you can largely thank Joe Biden for that. Back in 1987, he chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee and led the charge to torpedo Robert Bork's nomination to the SC largely along party lines (along with the vote of Arlan Specter) and of course he tried to do again to Clarence Thomas in 1991. Before then, the democrats and republicans while disagreeing on policy, still got along for the most part.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:11 pm to Rankest
White guilt and anti Americanism have polluted liberalism. Definitely wasn’t this toxic 40 years ago.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:14 pm to GRTiger
It became toxic when people stopped trying to work together and only want everything their way.
Also, when some agree with the lies of a POTUS over an actual fact / video of what really happened, aka "Alternate Facts"
Now it's a cult, drink up
Also, when some agree with the lies of a POTUS over an actual fact / video of what really happened, aka "Alternate Facts"
Now it's a cult, drink up
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:16 pm to Rankest
quote:
Question for the older crowd
Seems like there isn't much middle ground in U.S. Political banter these days
67 years old, OG democrat that left the party when Slick Willie Clinton came on the scene.
The political discourse today has rapidly deteriorated due to the Democratic party morphing into the Democratic Socialist Party. The Democratic Socialist party's vision for the US is essentially the destruction of the constitutional republic and the end of US sovereignty. The Democratic Socialist want a NWO Cultural Marxism style world government with no borders.
America First/MAGA and the Democratic Socialist party have little to no common political views.....the political divide is unbridgeable.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:17 pm to Rankest
quote:
Question for the older crowd
Seems like there isn't much middle ground in U.S. Political banter these days
American History says "yes, it has always been this toxic."
You just had the luxury of not hearing about anything in the past if you didn't care.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:18 pm to PurpleCrush
quote:
It became toxic when people stopped trying to work together and only want everything their way.
Also, when some agree with the lies of a POTUS over an actual fact / video of what really happened, aka "Alternate Facts"
Now it's a cult, drink up
Thank you for supplementing my point. Politics worked better when low IQ people like this ignored things over their head rather than form confident opinions on everything.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:18 pm to Rankest
I remember the 90s clearly and it was definitely not as bad. The more brown the country has gotten, the farther the divide
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:22 pm to Lee B
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That was going on in the 50s, 60s, 70
It was going on into the 2000s and early 2010s. Social media in the early 2010s was basically just a graffiti board for kids. There was no political content if any at all. It was mostly memes and selfies.
Remember the “Keep Calm” memes from 2012-2014? It felt like yesterday when those were the big trend.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:26 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
quote:40 years ago, we were still in the Cold War, and people were terrified of the USSR and their nukes pointed at us.
White guilt and anti Americanism have polluted liberalism. Definitely wasn’t this toxic 40 years ago.
I honestly think we "need" an enemy, something big enough to unite against. At that time, it was the USSR. Even Dems were in agreement that they needed to be opposed; the debates were about what means to resist with. Without that unifying foe, various factions will turn on each other, as we see today.
Kinda crazy to see some of the extremist groups supporting what they do now; you'd think the gay communities would be mortally opposed to the Islamists and Commies, because both groups would kill them. The "Decadent West" was the only place that would openly tolerate them. I guess now that the threat isn't there anymore, that group feels safe enough to attack their former protectors.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:30 pm to LSUDonMCO
Andrew Jackson was shot at and the gun misfired but captured his attacker, Richard Lawrence, and beat him with his cane until bystanders pulled him off....
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:34 pm to Rankest
Nope.
I was in the middle of a bunch of anarchists back in the 90s. We were all great friends. Lefties, righties, weirdos, alien believers, etc.
Belief in free speech held us together.
Of course now I realize that most of the lefties didnt actually believe in it. But I think they thought they did.
I was in the middle of a bunch of anarchists back in the 90s. We were all great friends. Lefties, righties, weirdos, alien believers, etc.
Belief in free speech held us together.
Of course now I realize that most of the lefties didnt actually believe in it. But I think they thought they did.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:46 pm to Rankest
It comes and goes. Some eras were worse and so were better.
The 1980’s had liberals absolutely hating Reagan. The 1990s saw the Clinton crime family dominated until 911. The 2000s were as close to unified as I’ve seen until 2004ish. Then the left went full in on W. Obama’s regime was the most scandal ridden and toxic I’ve seen politically and it is lingering through today. The Occupy Wall Street movement is where the rent a riot crowd spawned from and is the genesis of the bat shite crazy left.
As of around 2004 there is no middle ground. Give an inch and the left will riot because they demand miles.
We didn’t have a Gay crisis and gays had the exact same rights as everyone else before 2004 but 2004 it became something to riot over. Look at us today.
Before 2004 we really didn’t have a huge illegal alien population but look at us now.
Before 2004 we didn’t have a huge drug problem. Between 2004 and 2016 we had pain clinics and doctor shopping to get folks addicted to prescription drugs and since 2004 the illegal drug trade has all but wiped out a generation.
2004 is where I place most of the blame for our current problems. In 2004 the political spectrum moved so far left that the moderates became right wing extremist, the left devolved into an unthinking mob, and the right all but ceased to matter.
I miss the days of the left being tempered by folks that could think things through, the moderates have a position, and the right being strict constitutionalist.
The 1980’s had liberals absolutely hating Reagan. The 1990s saw the Clinton crime family dominated until 911. The 2000s were as close to unified as I’ve seen until 2004ish. Then the left went full in on W. Obama’s regime was the most scandal ridden and toxic I’ve seen politically and it is lingering through today. The Occupy Wall Street movement is where the rent a riot crowd spawned from and is the genesis of the bat shite crazy left.
As of around 2004 there is no middle ground. Give an inch and the left will riot because they demand miles.
We didn’t have a Gay crisis and gays had the exact same rights as everyone else before 2004 but 2004 it became something to riot over. Look at us today.
Before 2004 we really didn’t have a huge illegal alien population but look at us now.
Before 2004 we didn’t have a huge drug problem. Between 2004 and 2016 we had pain clinics and doctor shopping to get folks addicted to prescription drugs and since 2004 the illegal drug trade has all but wiped out a generation.
2004 is where I place most of the blame for our current problems. In 2004 the political spectrum moved so far left that the moderates became right wing extremist, the left devolved into an unthinking mob, and the right all but ceased to matter.
I miss the days of the left being tempered by folks that could think things through, the moderates have a position, and the right being strict constitutionalist.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:48 pm to Rankest
quote:
Question for the older crowd
Seems like there isn't much middle ground in U.S. Political banter these days
The American Left has moved further and further to the extreme. 250 years of world history show that the more extreme the left moves, the higher the violence, lawlessness, and dysfunction.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:50 pm to Rankest
No. Never. Cable news and social media is the cause of the toxicity.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:54 pm to Rankest
If you mean recent history, the internet made things far worse.
If you go back 150 years. They dueled each other. The level of attack was much worse.
With the ability to gaslight morons from all parties 24/7 it will never get better.
If you go back 150 years. They dueled each other. The level of attack was much worse.
With the ability to gaslight morons from all parties 24/7 it will never get better.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:56 pm to Sam Quint
quote:
the country in the 60s. generally speaking, most of the country still believed in American values and America as a good place.
Tou freaking Che
Very well said and I agree
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:57 pm to Smokeyone
Drugs were worse in the 70s and 80s.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:59 pm to Rankest
quote:
Has politics always been this toxic?
The impeachment hearings for Bill Clinton were a direct result of the forced resignation of Richard Nixon after Watergate.
The politicization of Barak Obama's attempted USSC appointments at the end of his second term by Mitch McConnell were a direct result of the politicization of the Robert Bork confirmation hearings by Ted Kennedy.
It's just that it used to only enraged the public during the 6 o'clock news. Now it enrages the public 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 1:15 pm to Rankest
No and I’ve been following politics since Carter.
I have never seen people and politicians act this way regarding politics.
I have never seen people and politicians act this way regarding politics.
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