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re: Troubling statement from The Gospel Coalition.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:02 am to beebefootballfan
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:02 am to beebefootballfan
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Did the OP just read the tweet or read the actual article?
Of course I did.
My problem is with the headline statement - because it diminishes the core of the Gospel message, which is our sin for which Christ paid on the cross. As to whether or not it was a compromising strategy to be "seeker-sensitive" in order to draw more clicks by appealing to the masses, are you implying that that is justifiable? I do not.
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:02 am to THog
The phrase implies that Christianity is no longer a dominant force in our popular culture. Lots of debate to be had there, but it's a descriptor of the culture, not a verdict on the fate of Christianity.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:02 am to the_truman_shitshow
Its a delicate balance between discouraging sin and encouraging living the good life because a person's worth is so much more than what they can imagine.
I think that is their point, just yelling "Stop! Don't sin!" is less effective than showing someone how much they are loved and created in the image and likeness of God. A creation that has immeasurable worth.
I think that is their point, just yelling "Stop! Don't sin!" is less effective than showing someone how much they are loved and created in the image and likeness of God. A creation that has immeasurable worth.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:03 am to THog
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Do the words post-Christian imply Christianity is over?
I don’t think that’s the intent. It recognizes that a Christian worldview is not the dominant worldview in our culture. I would argue that’s inarguably true.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:06 am to jnethe1
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Ultimately you are to recognize you are incapable of earning your way into heaven, instead you need to acknowledge Jesus as your Savior.
You do that by imitating Christ. It takes a little bit more than telling yourself that Jesus loves you when you get up in the morning.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:08 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
I agree 100%
From a human perspective, it's very delicate. How do you emphasize the miserable state of man without God while emphasizing the innate worth of His imagebearers, etc.
But we don't have to maintain that balance. God has done that through scripture. Thus, my issue is when we're spinning wheels trying to recast the message in secular terms, when we already have what we need. God's word is not in need of a rebrand or a revamp.
From a human perspective, it's very delicate. How do you emphasize the miserable state of man without God while emphasizing the innate worth of His imagebearers, etc.
But we don't have to maintain that balance. God has done that through scripture. Thus, my issue is when we're spinning wheels trying to recast the message in secular terms, when we already have what we need. God's word is not in need of a rebrand or a revamp.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:12 am to Pettifogger
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Thus, my issue is when we're spinning wheels trying to recast the message in secular terms, when we already have what we need. God's word is not in need of a rebrand or a revamp
I agree with what you’re saying.
I think the problem we’re all having is that the headline is burying the lede.
It’s the equivalent to “come to our youth group on Wednesday night!! We have pizza and zany games!!”
All of us know that the point would be for the unchurched to be enticed by the fun stuff but have a chance to hear the gospel.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:36 am to the_truman_shitshow
"We don't live in a Moralistic Age...."
HUH??
I don't know who Sam Allberry is, but YES, nowadays we especially need the reminder that WE ARE ALL SINNERS in desperate need of redemption and Salvation.
And NO, feelings of "worth" and approval as defined by this World are NOT a Gospel message, but a sneaky Pride message.
This is an obvious Flashing "Pride" directional and attempt at a Church hijacking of young people. TURRIBLE spiritual guidance.
HUH??
I don't know who Sam Allberry is, but YES, nowadays we especially need the reminder that WE ARE ALL SINNERS in desperate need of redemption and Salvation.
And NO, feelings of "worth" and approval as defined by this World are NOT a Gospel message, but a sneaky Pride message.
This is an obvious Flashing "Pride" directional and attempt at a Church hijacking of young people. TURRIBLE spiritual guidance.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:39 am to 3nOut
There is a premise behind Vacation Bible School is to reach not only youngsters but the family as well. All believers can use the same as spiritual growth.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:53 am to the_truman_shitshow
"We need to prove they're worth something."
Uh, Benjamin Spock already handled that. School teachers followed his instructions:
Teacher: Little Johnny, you have 4 + 6 = 5. That's very close as well as imaginative. You get an 'A' for effort!!
Johnny: But I really want a participation trophy.
Teacher: That's coming tomorrow.
Uh, Benjamin Spock already handled that. School teachers followed his instructions:
Teacher: Little Johnny, you have 4 + 6 = 5. That's very close as well as imaginative. You get an 'A' for effort!!
Johnny: But I really want a participation trophy.
Teacher: That's coming tomorrow.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 12:11 pm to the_truman_shitshow
2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (the tribulation) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (the tribulation) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Posted on 8/8/22 at 12:19 pm to Pettifogger
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To me this seems almost like TGC is inviting clicks. The underlying substance is largely fine, the title/theme make it seem worse than it is.
This. I speed-read the transcript so while I may have missed something small, I didn't disagree with the gist of the conversation.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 8/8/22 at 12:25 pm to oklahogjr
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Sounds like they're preaching loving another despite their sins. Good for them
Deuteronomy 4:24 ESV
For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 6:15 ESV
For the Lord your God in your midst is a jealous God—lest the anger of the Lord your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth.
The purge is coming. Repentance is necessary. If someone walks away, they walk away from their eternity. Or have you not read ANY of the prophecies? I repeat, this is a time for utmost repentance. As Nineveh repented, so should we,
Posted on 8/8/22 at 12:30 pm to the_truman_shitshow
As long as they are not condoning sin and excusing it and allowing it to flourish in the church....I'm OK with this. Love the sinner, not the sin. However, when that person becomes a Christian, you can't allow them to continue in their sin, whether it is adultery, alcoholism, drugs, LGBT, etc.
For we all have sinned and are sinners. Just can't let that sin come into and change the church and biblical teachings.
For we all have sinned and are sinners. Just can't let that sin come into and change the church and biblical teachings.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:14 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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But we can't abide for Timmy and Tommy to be a couple happy queers.
What other sin did God say he hates, and burn down a town over. Sexual immortality is a lifestyle sin that God called an abomination. Once you ask for forgiveness, you’e not supposed to wake up in the same sin day after day. As God said he would cast our sins from us, remove them, throw them into the sea. How can that be done if the sinner doesn’t do the same? A component of sin is guilt. If there is no guilt & remorse, is it really repentance?
Ps. 103:12
Ps. 32:2
John 1:29
Ps. 51:2
Isa. 1:18
1 John 1
There are several more verses to answer your question. The truth is there if you’re willing to search for it.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:26 pm to THog
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Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:32 pm to the_truman_shitshow
Are we just reading click bait headlines without a breakdown of what the person meant by the statement?
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:39 pm to Pettifogger
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The phrase implies that Christianity is no longer a dominant force in our popular culture. Lots of debate to be had there, but it's a descriptor of the culture, not a verdict on the fate of Christianity.
People need to read A Secular Age by Charles Thompson. The western world is a post-Christian society now.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:44 pm to the_truman_shitshow
I’ve been studying the Old Testament a lot lately. People have been perverting the truth forever. They will be shown the errors of their ways sooner or later very harshly. Hopefully, the individuals will repent
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:54 pm to TheHarahanian
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Preaching that the audience will burn for eternity is how to get them to walk away.
It’s not Christianity if you don’t. Jesus makes it clear with his own words: it’s him, or the lake of fire. That’s your choice.
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