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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:02 pm to jammajin
Okay so you want me to restate the things that were incorrect in the DHS tweet despite the information about said inaccuracies being right in front of you?
It’s one click, just read it. Or if you have some shitty point, just spit it out already.
It’s one click, just read it. Or if you have some shitty point, just spit it out already.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:04 pm to 3nOut
So what did Chauvin do wrong? King Floyd ODd on fentanyl. A biased jury pool scared to acquit sent him to jail after calls of further violence from our esteemed democrat colleagues.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:07 pm to AGGIES
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What happens if the public just accepts obvious lies, or when it isn’t so obvious what happened? Will the govt. act in an ethical manner?
Is this 2019 or 2020? Maybe 1992 or 1993.
The American people were gaslit in all those years and many accepted it as truth.
We see many being gaslit today by things that just are not happening. But still, they believe everyone of all immigrant status is under attack. If they didn't fall for such gaslighting, there would be no issues in MSP.
But hey, carry on.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:10 pm to Tmcgin
Someone gets shot attacking
the capitol and 42 cops injured and you made her a martyr
Oh the hypocrisy
I dont recall making either the 2 people who died in Minneapolis or the person who died at the capital a martyr, can you show me where I did that?
I think the situations are related in so far as all those who were killed were involved in dangerous and illegal activities in highly volatile setting which included LEO with weapons. And therefore I think they all assumed some amount of risk and/or culpability for their ultimate deaths.
I recall the person shot at the capital was not armed at the time with a vehicle or a gun and was much further distance from the person who shot her than those dead in MInny who were armed with a vehicle or a gun. So that's a big difference (to me).
Do you recall what was concluded about the LEO who shot the person at the capital? did they ultimately face punishment for their actions? were their actions deemed "unjustifiable" by the subsequent investigation? because given the bar I just set in the paragraph above (seems to me the capital shooting was less "justifiable" than the 2 people shot in MInny) I would think we have some pretty good precedent that you and others here will be happy to follow. Right? Right????
You know becauce otherwise, if you're not willing to accept a similar conclusion, that would make you a hypocrit right? RIGHT???
the capitol and 42 cops injured and you made her a martyr
Oh the hypocrisy
I dont recall making either the 2 people who died in Minneapolis or the person who died at the capital a martyr, can you show me where I did that?
I think the situations are related in so far as all those who were killed were involved in dangerous and illegal activities in highly volatile setting which included LEO with weapons. And therefore I think they all assumed some amount of risk and/or culpability for their ultimate deaths.
I recall the person shot at the capital was not armed at the time with a vehicle or a gun and was much further distance from the person who shot her than those dead in MInny who were armed with a vehicle or a gun. So that's a big difference (to me).
Do you recall what was concluded about the LEO who shot the person at the capital? did they ultimately face punishment for their actions? were their actions deemed "unjustifiable" by the subsequent investigation? because given the bar I just set in the paragraph above (seems to me the capital shooting was less "justifiable" than the 2 people shot in MInny) I would think we have some pretty good precedent that you and others here will be happy to follow. Right? Right????
You know becauce otherwise, if you're not willing to accept a similar conclusion, that would make you a hypocrit right? RIGHT???
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:14 pm to Powerman
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I've been saying the same thing.
Nobody cares what you say, you ended that a long time ago
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:14 pm to mwade91383
you've made yourself perfectly clear thanks.
You were here to post a bumper sticker point backed up by community notes not to actually think and talk for yourself.
Noted!!
You were here to post a bumper sticker point backed up by community notes not to actually think and talk for yourself.
Noted!!
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:18 pm to CatahoulaCur
it's amazing how many of these post are from the everybody gets a trophy generation.
it you had fun you won!
i'll repeat my response to the post that "but he was an icu nurse!"
my reply was
" then he should have known better to bring a gun to an ice protest"
" now he knows" that's a lesson he'll know forever.
it you had fun you won!
i'll repeat my response to the post that "but he was an icu nurse!"
my reply was
" then he should have known better to bring a gun to an ice protest"
" now he knows" that's a lesson he'll know forever.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:22 pm to Powerman
No.
You guys are trying to straddle a fence. It comes down to this. Can you point out what the agent did wrong?
Let's start there.
You guys are trying to straddle a fence. It comes down to this. Can you point out what the agent did wrong?
Let's start there.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:24 pm to BCreed1
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Can you point out what the agent did wrong?
Which agent?
Multiple agents appear to do things wrong, starting with the guy who shoved the lady.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:26 pm to UtahCajun
We don’t want the US Govt. Acting as if anyone who opposes them is deranged.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:26 pm to Bwmdx
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So what did Chauvin do wrong? King Floyd ODd on fentanyl. A biased jury pool scared to acquit sent him to jail after calls of further violence from our esteemed democrat colleagues.
i think he could have gotten off his back (and it was his back, not his neck) way earlier. I understand that he was resisting and high, but he was on there for long enough to be bad optics.
He was railroaded and at worst should have gotten the slightest manslaughter charge possible and a sane jury would have acquitted him.
i'm only trying to steelman the other side here.
The whole thing was a farce.
Good drove towards an armed officer.
The lastest idiot decided to tussel with cops while armed.
They aren't death sentences, but it's very easy to not put yourself in those places. They did and it's sad they died, but both instances are on them.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:29 pm to jammajin
Nah you’re just backtracking and it’s clear you never had any point to begin with.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:30 pm to AldousSnow26
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Agreed, now you just have to get Stephen Miller or Kristy Noem to understand this
Noem and Homan have been on opposite sides of enforcement for some time...Homan wanting to focus on the truly violent...rapists, drug dealers, traffickers, gang bangers, assault convictions, etc. Noem wanting to scoop up everyone including busboys, maids, and gardeners to get deportation numbers up. They can't stand each other...even Trump has basically said this.
Can Noem and Homan both be correct in terms of what the best strategy should have been? I don't think so.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:33 pm to CatahoulaCur
Illegal immigrants here who have committed violent crimes need to be imprisoned and not able to freely walk around in a "sanctuary" city. However, sending armed teams of feds into cities where these nutballs will defend them will be so charged up, people will die. Is it worth the collateral damage?
Honestly, at some point the feds have to stop lighting themselves on fire just to prove a point in cities that openly want the chaos. If local leaders are telling their cops not to cooperate, judges aren't honoring detainers, activists are running neighborhood surveillance networks, and elected officials are literally urging confrontation… then what exactly is the upside of continuing to stage high-risk operations there? The juice just isn’t worth the squeeze.
Lay the facts out publicly: “We attempted to enforce federal law, your city refused any form of cooperation, and this is the environment your mayor and governor have chosen.” Then redirect resources to jurisdictions that actually allow you to do the job safely. If Minneapolis leadership wants to own the hellscape they’ve built, let them own it. At some point, you stop banging your head against the wall and let voters live with the consequences they keep voting for.
Honestly, at some point the feds have to stop lighting themselves on fire just to prove a point in cities that openly want the chaos. If local leaders are telling their cops not to cooperate, judges aren't honoring detainers, activists are running neighborhood surveillance networks, and elected officials are literally urging confrontation… then what exactly is the upside of continuing to stage high-risk operations there? The juice just isn’t worth the squeeze.
Lay the facts out publicly: “We attempted to enforce federal law, your city refused any form of cooperation, and this is the environment your mayor and governor have chosen.” Then redirect resources to jurisdictions that actually allow you to do the job safely. If Minneapolis leadership wants to own the hellscape they’ve built, let them own it. At some point, you stop banging your head against the wall and let voters live with the consequences they keep voting for.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:35 pm to jammajin
I would like to add :
If you are "protesting" by making noise loud enough to diminish LEOs ability to hear well enough to do their job with maximum efficiency, then you are, by legal definition: obstructing police operations, and you will be arrested.
If you are alerting suspects of LE presence so that the suspects can escape, then you are obstructing police operations, and you will be arrested.
DO NOT obstruct police operations. You will be arrested, put into handcuffs and brought to jail FIRST and then the legal process of establishing your guilt or innocence will occur AFTER you are in jail.
If you resist arrest, you will be subdued with force, and taken to be put into jail, and charged with a crime of resisting arrest.
If you push or strike LE, you will be taken to jail and charged with assault on a federal LE agent.
If you are "protesting" by making noise loud enough to diminish LEOs ability to hear well enough to do their job with maximum efficiency, then you are, by legal definition: obstructing police operations, and you will be arrested.
If you are alerting suspects of LE presence so that the suspects can escape, then you are obstructing police operations, and you will be arrested.
DO NOT obstruct police operations. You will be arrested, put into handcuffs and brought to jail FIRST and then the legal process of establishing your guilt or innocence will occur AFTER you are in jail.
If you resist arrest, you will be subdued with force, and taken to be put into jail, and charged with a crime of resisting arrest.
If you push or strike LE, you will be taken to jail and charged with assault on a federal LE agent.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:37 pm to CatahoulaCur
quote:
There were 8 BP agents around him. You can see from the video that the gun was gone and this guy was a threat to no one at that point.
The question is not what we can see but what the the agents could see or what each perceived what was happening in a few seconds of utter chaos. We have the luxury of a bird's eye view and to watch and re-watch continuously and from various angles. It's like watching Saving Private Ryan and saying we have the exact same perspective of troops in combat. I would expect they experienced a heck of a lot more adrenaline than I did with my tub of popcorn at the movies.
You're saying "this guy was a threat to no one at that point," but you don't know that each of the guys knew this. This incident didn't happen in isolation. It happened in a heated environment created by raving lunatics, and tensions were very high.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:41 pm to CatahoulaCur
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You can see from the video that the gun was gone and this guy was a threat to no one at that point.
The Law should not require the arresting LE to conclude that the armed suspect was completely disarmed when it is common practice for people to carry a firearm and a back-up firearm, along with a knife.
Once a suspect is Armed, the Law should not require LE to engage in a continuing legal observation and analysis of the suspect's "armed" status. Once the suspect is noted to be Armed, the suspect is considered Armed until he is subdued, handcuffed and thoroughly searched by LE.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:48 pm to AGGIES
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We don’t want the US Govt. Acting as if anyone who opposes them is deranged.
Anyone? Even if they are opposing in a deranged fashion?
Not saying Pretti was the one acting deranged. He was however, well outside of his Constitutional rights to approach LEOs while the LEOs were conducting their task. A task they have the authority to conduct as given to them by laws we, as citizens, agreed to.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too...as much as I hate that statement. You cannot expect professionals to withstand weeks upon weeks of abuse and maintain that professionalism. That is asking too much. It is however reasonable to ask local and state authorities to uphold federal laws, that we as people agreed to, as prescribed by that law. I do not see you complaining because MSP has fomented this very response to the enforcement of federal law. Local and state officials gave a big middle finger to federal law in 2018, when they declared Mineapolis a sanctuary city and then not only allowed, but created then means for these "protestors" to harass and beat federal LEOs for weeks without lifting a finger to uphold law.
Did Pretti deserve to get shot? No. Was his death justified? No. Who is to blame? Many more people than the agent who pulled the trigger.
Yet all I see from you is "well blah, blah".
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:53 pm to CatahoulaCur
Very well said.
The guy that got killed was protesting something that was a lawful action being taken against people in this nation illegally.
This man’s death began the minute the guy they were searching for illegally gained entry into our country.
That said, he was legally protesting, legally carrying a weapon and allegedly defending a woman that was attacked by a Fed.
These ICE agents work for the same federal government that shut our country down, that raided Trump and his associates, that tried to jail Trump and did jail his associates.
While I believe wholeheartedly in the mission ICE is undertaking, I always have a healthy skepticism towards government use of force on citizens.
The shoe fits the other foot too and federal gun totters obey orders from Dems and Repubs alike.
Unlike the MN women, this was a bad shoot.
The guy that got killed was protesting something that was a lawful action being taken against people in this nation illegally.
This man’s death began the minute the guy they were searching for illegally gained entry into our country.
That said, he was legally protesting, legally carrying a weapon and allegedly defending a woman that was attacked by a Fed.
These ICE agents work for the same federal government that shut our country down, that raided Trump and his associates, that tried to jail Trump and did jail his associates.
While I believe wholeheartedly in the mission ICE is undertaking, I always have a healthy skepticism towards government use of force on citizens.
The shoe fits the other foot too and federal gun totters obey orders from Dems and Repubs alike.
Unlike the MN women, this was a bad shoot.
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