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re: What has happened to this country? Everyone now craves the control of big government?
Posted on 1/16/26 at 10:34 am to Tiger1242
Posted on 1/16/26 at 10:34 am to Tiger1242
People are lazy and are just fine with a shitty quality of life. Benefits quash the need to do better. Reward without effort is seductive but destructive.
Benefits need to be slowly but drastically cut back.
Benefits need to be slowly but drastically cut back.
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Posted on 1/16/26 at 10:37 am to Tiger1242
Wanting illegals out of the country and wanting fraud prosecuted is wanting more big Gov?
Posted on 1/16/26 at 10:40 am to Tiger1242
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You can point to crucial moments in our history when the government found a way to gain power, slowly and also quickly at the same time. Unfortunately there are very few moments in history where our government has lessened any of its power.
This is why sane people were asking very big questions during the Covid scare. Stay in your homes! Stay away from others! Stay away! Wear what we tell you! Do not go there! Take this shot or lose your job!
But alas... the people questioning that were deemed outcasts and stupid.
It's why there is constant pushback on ""sensible"" gun laws.
Its why people raised hell about the Biden administration demanding social media screen public speech. And the Obama administration scapegoating a YouTube video while arresting its creator for their frickup in Benghazi.
It's why there was pushback on the government take over of healthcare. Well two fold there... because nothing government touches gets better, cheaper, or more efficient.
It's why there was an uproar over the Obama administration fabricating a reason to use FISA against the Trump campaign to get campaign leverage for Hillary.
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It seems like over the last 20 years or so, our population has been groomed into giving government control. I used to believe conservatives generally wanted the government to have less control, but now I see most people just want the government to control them in a way they like.
I guess I need an example of popular conservative thought that is wanting to give the government more control. Law enforcement of immigration activities doesn't fall into this If that is what you are talking about. That is protecting national sovereignty.
Conservatives, well true ones, want less taxes, less government, less dependence on government, smaller government, and more individual Liberty. Individual Liberty doesn't mean I'm forced to accept someone else's position at the behest of my own though.
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I fear that the political climate today has everyone unable to see the forest through the trees. As long as the government uses its power to advance an agenda we agree with, we are all so willing to just allow them to control us.
The political climate is due to partisan media, the social media hive mind revolution, and hardliners in congress that govern on their own wants and beliefs instead of their districts good.
Is there really any reason for congressman to cover for fraud stealing American taxpayer money? Why would we want that? Unvetted people flocking into the country? Why are they screaming about wanting that?
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I fear for the future of our country when our citizens so willingly allow the government to do whatever it wants and the fight is over what they are doing with their unlimited power and not over the fact that they have that power in the first place.
On a mass scale? Covid woke this generation up to that. But enforcing immigration law isn't this gross, unabated lawlessness that's being portrayed. Arresting single individuals on the beach during Covid lockdowns when no crime was committed was the travesty. Arresting people attending a religious service when no crime was committed was the travesty.
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Aren’t the people supposed to control the government and not the other way around?
Which is why term limits needs to be demanded with as much vigor as the Epstein files were.
This post was edited on 1/16/26 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 1/16/26 at 10:45 am to Tiger1242
Even people who believe in small government believe in some government. There are certain things that even the most “freedom loving” among us believe is a fundamental function which government is supposed to do. One of those is police its borders and control who is allowed in. Another is ensuring that taxpayers dollars are not embezzled and wasted, but spent where they will provide the public good or service voters demand.
When you have flagrant flaunting of immigration laws combined with rampant fraud embezzling of taxpayer dollars, government action isn’t overreach, but necessary to prevent the loss of legitimacy. If government refuses to enforce its borders, and refuses to root out rampant, open, and obvious fraudulent spending of tax dollars, it will lose all legitimacy, and citizens will simply stop paying taxes or obeying their government entirely.
For this form of government to continue, it must serve its created function. It must enforce its immigration laws, it must enforce its borders, and it must punish corruption and fraud. To do otherwise is to utterly destroy itself.
When you have flagrant flaunting of immigration laws combined with rampant fraud embezzling of taxpayer dollars, government action isn’t overreach, but necessary to prevent the loss of legitimacy. If government refuses to enforce its borders, and refuses to root out rampant, open, and obvious fraudulent spending of tax dollars, it will lose all legitimacy, and citizens will simply stop paying taxes or obeying their government entirely.
For this form of government to continue, it must serve its created function. It must enforce its immigration laws, it must enforce its borders, and it must punish corruption and fraud. To do otherwise is to utterly destroy itself.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 11:15 am to Tiger1242
The day you began to think of your city councilman, your state legislator, or your congressman as a “leader” instead of your REPRESENTATIVE is the day you became a sheep.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 11:18 am to UtahCajun
SFP prefers oligarchs to populists.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 11:24 am to Tiger1242
Amen.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:06 pm to RohanGonzales
Amen, then those frickers need to get the frick out. But even after that they will find something else to keep us occupied while they enslave us further.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:08 pm to EastWestConnection
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It’s astonishingly clear that we are the threat that we claimed the soviets were
We do kill around a million human beings in utero every year. Of course, I oppose that and given your post I'm sure you do too.
Other than that, though, all we've done is usher in the greatest standard of living for the most people of any civilization in history, and it's not close. And created a society with the least racism, the greatest redress for violations of civil rights, the most egalitarian conditions of any society that has ever existed on this planet, unless you believe in Atlantis or want to count the Garden of Eden.
The Soviets were wiping their butts with newspapers because they couldn't even manage to keep toilet paper on the shelves.
This post was edited on 1/16/26 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:11 pm to Tiger1242
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What has happened to this country? Everyone now craves the control of big government?
Yes. Everyone has become conditioned to the premise that we can live better lives if we accept that .gov can print money and give it away without consequence.
They don’t equate printing $2,000,000,000,000 per year leads to diluted savings and inflated costs.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:13 pm to UtahCajun
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Causation =/= correlation
Not per se, no.
But if you are saying that there is no additional evidence that the actions the US has taken since WWII haven't affected other nation's choices when it comes to foreign policy, I'd kind of have to think you were an idiot.
Besides, if you're going to claim something like that, I'm going to claim it every time you isolationists say that the US causes problems with interventions in the ME. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
We can be two little Matt Dillahunty's running around repeating, "I remain unconvinced by your evidence."
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:28 pm to Tiger1242
without examples, your point falls short.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 1:06 pm to VOR
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Today, the Right and this board lovebfederal control as long as it suits their persona pov…
The right love law and order and enforcing the law. We also don't like our hard earned tax dollars being squandered to prop up criminal illegal aliens so just so they can vote for people who have openly declared us their enemy and want to buy votes to further destroy this country and mold it into some unrealistic notion they have of a Marxist/communist/socialist utopia.
So, again... F UCK you.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 1:08 pm to CAD703X
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what the frick do you think ICE is trying to do????
Exactly. But muh Trump! OMB! Literally Hitler! Nazis!
Posted on 1/16/26 at 1:10 pm to bhtigerfan
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Wanting illegals out of the country and wanting fraud prosecuted is wanting more big Gov?
To TDS Massholes, yes.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 1:11 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Amen.
That meme is aboslutely retarded.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 1:12 pm to Tiger1242
Yes. As I stated in another thread. People are having a hard time looking outside of their own interests in the immediate short term.
We went from: “Don’t Tread on Me”
To: “It’s ok - Tread on Me”, “But Tread on Them First”
We went from: “Don’t Tread on Me”
To: “It’s ok - Tread on Me”, “But Tread on Them First”
Posted on 1/16/26 at 1:16 pm to Tiger1242
The problem for the libertarian right is that they've arguably had the dominant voice for decades (whether it manifested in practice is a different debate) and we've gotten our arse handed to us on everything but guns.
At some point, people are going to view free market-above-all rhetoric/thinking as not serving them, or alternatively, inevitably to be abused by the left while we sit on our hands like good boys playing mostly by the rules.
Trump and this populism wave would never have arisen otherwise.
At some point, people are going to view free market-above-all rhetoric/thinking as not serving them, or alternatively, inevitably to be abused by the left while we sit on our hands like good boys playing mostly by the rules.
Trump and this populism wave would never have arisen otherwise.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 1:16 pm to UnitedFruitCompany
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Sadly, the overwhelming majority of the population CRAVES subjugation for the inherent "saftey" it provides. After all, if you agree with someone and they are making all the choices, things cant be that bad, right?
“Think of the children!”
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