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re: Saints are a solid long-term destination for a new coach
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:57 am to Weekend Warrior79
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:57 am to Weekend Warrior79
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How do you know she is clueless about what is going on? She relies on Dennis L & Mickey to update her on the team; similar to how a lot of CEO's run their business. There is a great CEO mentorship program I am involved in, and one of the first topics they discuss is adjusting how much time you spend working in the company as opposed to working on the company
Fair. None of us truly know what she knows or doesn’t. I’d wager every penny I’m worth and my home that she doesn’t have a fraction of the football acumen of whoever’s opinion you value the most on this board.
If she’s not clueless then that would tend to imply she is ok with the job Mickey is doing: spending like we’re one player away, a history of trading up for projects, losing homegrown talent as a result of the need to become cap compliant, signing older replacements who are now past their prime, continuing to undermine the firing of Allen that was perhaps the most needed firing in the league in a season or two.
So I’d almost hope she’s clueless because otherwise she doesn’t seem to care about the poor job he is doing as long as the dome is mostly full and the tv revenue keeps rolling in.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 8:32 pm
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:14 am to BilJ
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“he can build contending teams if he has a HOF quarterback and coach” no shite huh?
Mickey is far past his prime and I would love nothing more than for Gayle to can his arse. That being said, neither Sean Payton nor Drew Brees were hot commodities in the post-katrina offseason. SP got turned down by Green Bay and Brees got turned down by everyone but the saints
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:35 am to St Augustine
I don’t see it rosy or and of the earth. I think they have a coach they’re gonna hire who can’t be hired right now. I see a team who has a ton to fix. I think it’s fixable. I also don’t need to start a new thread every 15 minutes talking about how nobody wants us, everybody hates us, sell the team, it’s over forever.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:37 am to St Augustine
She has enough sense to go overpower Loomis and fire Allen. I don’t want an owner in the middle of the decision making. Good owners stay out of the way. Is she a great owner? Wouldn’t call her that. But, she’s doing what she should be doing. Staying out of the way unless she feels obligated to.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:56 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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That being said, neither Sean Payton nor Drew Brees were hot commodities in the post-katrina offseason. SP got turned down by Green Bay and Brees got turned down by everyone but the saints
That's not really what I'm making fun of. It's just an extremely dumb thing to say that Mickey can build a good roster if he has both....Uhh yeah so can most people, those are the 2 hardest pieces of the puzzle to get and have the most longevity if you get them compared to other assets. It's basically saying nothing.
...but regardless basically everything mickey has done since they left has been a fai, I'd say it all points to those early moves being more about luck and timing vs. him being a sharp GM and seeing what others did not.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:57 am to Handsome Pete
Mile Florio, the writer of that piece, doesn’t know shite from shinola. If the Saints have such a great GM, why did he hire Dennis Allen? Why have the drafts sucked since 2017?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:12 am to RawDog7984
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She has enough sense to go overpower Loomis and fire Allen. I don’t want an owner in the middle of the decision making.
I don’t necessarily want that either.
I DO want an owner that keeps the GM somewhat accountable in one of the most competitive and cutthroat businesses in sports. We seemingly don’t have that.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:17 am to Handsome Pete
The fear is strong from birds, buccees, and camther fans downvoting
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:12 pm to Zephyrius
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The fear is strong from birds, buccees, and camther fans downvoting
LMAO if you think any of our division rivals are concerned with us in any way.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:36 pm to Handsome Pete
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Saints are a solid long-term destination for a new coach
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:15 pm to Handsome Pete
What team isn't a great team when they have a great coach and a great quarterback?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:22 pm to uptowntiger84
quote:What team is great without those things? Of course the Saints need a better QB and coach. All Florio is saying is Loomis did it once, maybe he could do it again. If Gayle cleans house and fires Loomis, a great QB doesn't magically appear. It'll just be someone else looking for him. No matter who is coaching, we will be in the wilderness until we get that position is fixed.
What team isn't a great team when they have a great coach and a great quarterback?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:54 pm to TigerSaurus
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I hope Moore is a patient man and can deal with Saints fans who are not patient !!
You haven’t been a Saints fan very long, lol. I was a fan for many years when we never had a winning season or even won a playoff game.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:07 am to Handsome Pete
I would feel better about the future if Loomis wasn’t pumping sunshine. I don’t expect to say all doom and gloom, but a little we have issues we have identified and will fix would be nice.
Instead we get don’t look at results after 4 non playoff seasons and it was a mistake firing our future HoF coach
Instead we get don’t look at results after 4 non playoff seasons and it was a mistake firing our future HoF coach
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:13 am to RawDog7984
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We know it goes against the emotional ones here but, he also stated how this team is one of the only ones who were hiring this cycle that have proved they can do this and do this at a consistent level. Nobody said it was easy, he said they have an owner that doesn’t get in the way, a gm who has had a ton of success (i hate him right now), and after this year the cap issues are gonna be behind them.
Yup. Please dont also tell the Karens that the Saints are loyal to their hires, i.e. we wont fire a guy in one season.
Idiot fans dont like that but to KM, knowing your GM/owner will give you some time to get it together is a bonafide PLUS not minus for hiring Coaches.
We stuck with SP through multiple mediocre seasons and it paid off.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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Find HOF coach and sign HOF QB in FA
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All the time?
Are you fricking dumb? You cant be in the Hall of fame until after you retire you fricking Karen.
Clearly multiple Coaches/qb combos that won the SB eventually fit into this category. Once Mike Holgrem makes the Hall with Brett Farve another duo exits.
fricking waste time arguing nothing.
Anyway, yeah clearly KM is a good hire and the Nancys’ on here are crying for nothing.
Saints have a long stretch of success since 2000 in on field results and this is a direct result of management/ownership.
We didnt fire SP after he was suspended for a year.
We didnt fire SP after multiple mediocre seasons either.
You, ie KMoore, know what your getting, and the Saints are loyal and will give you a fair shot.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:28 am to P bean
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Are you fricking dumb?
Uh, no.
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You cant be in the Hall of fame until after you retire you fricking Karen.
I'm not the one who made it seem so easy.
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Clearly multiple Coaches/qb combos that won the SB eventually fit into this category.
A handful of examples over 40 years is not something that happens "all the time"
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Once Mike Holgrem makes the Hall with Brett Farve another duo exits.
The Packers didn't sign Favre in free agency, so in your limited examples, this one wouldn't even count
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Saints have a long stretch of success since 2000 in on field results and this is a direct result of management/ownership.
How have we been doing the past 4 years?
You know, when you supported signing Carr and kicking can with our cap instead of rebuilding. How many playoff appearances?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:34 am to Stamps74
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and it was a mistake firing our future HoF coach
Wait, we fired Payton? Hell of a job by Loomis getting drafts picks for a coach we dumped.
In a weird way, I’d feel better about the Saints if we had fired Payton.
At least the obvious fact that he left because he did not want live in NOLA and tired of inability to close on major free agents (note he failed to close on Clowney, Suh, even local OBJ) would not hang on us like an albatross.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:12 am to BilJ
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That's not really what I'm making fun of. It's just an extremely dumb thing to say that Mickey can build a good roster if he has both
If yiu really go back and look at it. They failed Brees with bad drafts and horrible free agent decisions during his prime. It took them most of his career here to finally put a decent defense together and went through so many coordinators. By the time they did, Brees arm was shot.
This team got by on the ‘06 and ‘17 drafts.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Packers didn't sign Favre in free agency, so in your limited examples, this one wouldn't even count
Arguing semantics, as if it means anything.
However acquired, clearly the coach/qb combo cannnot be hall of famers until post career, and several combos have both gone on to make the Hall of Fame.
Which has absolutely nothing to do whether the Saints are an attractive job that K Moore wants to take.
But keep changing the subject of the post! Its not a waste of time!
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