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Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:25 pm to CaddoTiger64
I advised my 23yo kid to avoid job hopping. But he’s now moved jobs 3 times in 4 years and doubled his salary. I certainly can’t fault it. Especially knowing how quickly companies would cut him off it were in their interests
He works in cybersecurity which gives him great leverage and he’s played his hand very well
He works in cybersecurity which gives him great leverage and he’s played his hand very well
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:30 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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You’re free to job hop. Potential employers are free to hold it against you.
I think it's fair to ask the question, but if there's a legit answer, then I think it would be really crappy to hold it against a potential candidate.
I know for me, if I were asked, I would say something like, "In my prior position, it was a very toxic environment where colleagues were crying before work in the morning, and most people didn't last two years. I had to get out of there, so I took my current position not because I intended to stay here long-term, but to get out of my old toxic environment."
If that's considered job-hopping and held against me, then so be it.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:46 pm to CaddoTiger64
I'm not a job-hopper proponent but what gets lost in this is retention policies / strategies.
A lot of companies don't put enough effort into retaining talent. If good employees are job hopping like crazy I would argue it's more due to companies not incentivizing them to stay rather than lack of dedication.
I'm a good example. It wasnt until I told my previous employer I was leaving that they offered me a substantial raise. At that point it was too late and it more pissed me off that all of a sudden they were willing to almost double my pay once I had one foot out the door. Where was that before?
A lot of companies don't put enough effort into retaining talent. If good employees are job hopping like crazy I would argue it's more due to companies not incentivizing them to stay rather than lack of dedication.
I'm a good example. It wasnt until I told my previous employer I was leaving that they offered me a substantial raise. At that point it was too late and it more pissed me off that all of a sudden they were willing to almost double my pay once I had one foot out the door. Where was that before?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:49 pm to lynxcat
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They do if you are a promotable future leader of the company. And, if you are willing to stand up for yourself when you see a pay discrepancy emerge. If you are a “non regrettable” loss then you have no leverage and leaving is the pathway to increased earnings.
Harsh, and 100% true.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:03 pm to CaddoTiger64
If employers owe nothing to you, you owe nothing to your employers.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:04 pm to lynxcat
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They do if you are a promotable future leader of the company. And, if you are willing to stand up for yourself when you see a pay discrepancy emerge.
If you are a “non regrettable” loss then you have no leverage and leaving is the pathway to increased earnings.
While I don't necessarily disagree here, one of the most commonly heard quips in the tech sector is "We are all replaceable." You'll hear ceo s say that. And it's not untrue as most companies are happy to make moves, even at that level. Frequently.
If something doesn't work for one quarter, toss it. Regardless of past successes.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:12 pm to CaddoTiger64
Employers do not care about employees anymore in general. Loyalty is not rewarded, but job hopping is as most incentives are offered to new employees. If employers owe nothing to employees, the same goes the other way around.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:14 pm to Tigeralum2008
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I advised my 23yo kid to avoid job hopping. But he’s now moved jobs 3 times in 4 years and doubled his salary. I certainly can’t fault it. Especially knowing how quickly companies would cut him off it were in their interests He works in cybersecurity which gives him great leverage and he’s played his hand very well
You have to understand the world has changed. You gave him incorrect advice based on the current conditions.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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One of the first things I look at on a resume.
Same, but I don't mind so much if a candidate has had 3 jobs in 8 years or whatever. It's almost difficult to find those that haven't.
But if they change jobs every year for a decade, why bother? They'll finally get to the point of being able to contribute a decent amount and probably already looking again.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:17 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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way too long for someone at the beginning of their career
Arguable. Probably depends on job and career field. Where I am it literally takes two years just for average person to fully grasp well enough to even start performing at a high level. Then enough time needs to go by to lay down enough of a track record of success to warrant a promotion. 3-4 years minimum.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:19 pm to lynxcat
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Top talent is rarely who is job hopping. Employers do everything they can to keep “top talent”.
I think you’re overestimating a lot of employers’ competence at identifying and paying their top talent.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:21 pm to CoolHand
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Most employers don't reward "loyalty".
That’s really all there is to it. And there are only so many free hours you can giveaway before giving yourself a market adjustment.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:21 pm to lynxcat
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Top talent is rarely who is job hopping. Employers do everything they can to keep “top talent”.
In today's market, top talent are getting offers thrown at them left and right like a hot chick on Tinder.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:21 pm to Kingshakabooboo
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Where I am it literally takes two years just for average person to fully grasp well enough to even start performing at a high level.
It takes most people 12-18 months on average on my team.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:22 pm to Kingshakabooboo
I stayed 6 years at a job that was poorly paid and expectations were unreasonably high. I’m the moron for not leaving earlier.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:22 pm to CaddoTiger64
Job hopping sounds stressful. I would hate to be trying to fit in and learn the ropes at a new job all the time. I’m 41, been working since 17, and have only had 3 jobs my whole life. The current one for the last 20 years.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:27 pm to rintintin
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I'm not a job-hopper proponent but what gets lost in this is retention policies / strategies.
A lot of companies don't put enough effort into retaining talent. If good employees are job hopping like crazy I would argue it's more due to companies not incentivizing them to stay rather than lack of dedication.
I've been thinking about this with my current position too. In education, often when classes aren't in session, students aren't on campus, and there's literally no reason for staff to be on campus.
You want to increase retention? Then give staff that time off or let them be fully remote. It wouldn't hurt productivity whatsoever and would give staff a more favorable view of their employer.
I think a lot of jobs across many different industries have their own version of this type of situation where making easy changes like this could increase retention.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:27 pm to Undertow
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Job hopping sounds stressful. I would hate to be trying to fit in and learn the ropes at a new job all the time. I’m 41, been working since 17, and have only had 3 jobs my whole life. The current one for the last 20 years.
I've only had 3 jobs in my field of study in 25 years and the first one was only a few years. It was a typical, low paying, first job out of college situation. I got engaged and left for a 60% raise.
I was at my 2nd job for 9 years, and I'd probably still be there if the company wasn't sold.
Been at the current one for 12. I'm paid well, get a lot of time off and have a good bit of seniority. Why would I leave unless that changes?
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:33 pm to Kingshakabooboo
Congratulations, that sounds like a great company and a great career. Not all companies are great, not all situations work and there are liars out there. I’ve been lied to about a position. It’s extremely unprofessional and I left quickly. Also, DEI is real and people get promoted that aren’t exactly the best fit. They end up making terrible decisions that hurt their subordinates.
I don’t hop, I don’t really care if people do.
I don’t hop, I don’t really care if people do.
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