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re: Mexican Navy blames NY harbor pilot for crash.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:15 am to GeauxTigers123
Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:15 am to GeauxTigers123
Did they ever figure out if the Mexicans sent an Airforce Captain to Captain their only vessel?
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Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:16 am to jizzle6609
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Mexican Navy is literally an oxymoron.
I don’t think you know what an oxymoron is.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:16 am to GeauxTigers123
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the ship may have been stuck in reverse at the time of the crash, but that the pilot was commanding the ship’s captain to keep moving full speed ahead.
Language barrier?
Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:51 am to GeauxTigers123
Mex should blame the water, too. And currents, wind And gravity.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:55 am to GeauxTigers123
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Mexican Navy blames NY harbor pilot for crash.
That makes me chuckle.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 11:07 am to Coeur du Tigre
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A pilot has the legal responsibility to guide the crew properly in handling the vessel, but the Captain has ultimate responsibility for the vessel in entirety.
What responsibility is more "ultimate" than legal responsibility?
Captain can get fired but the pilot is the one sued into oblivion?
Posted on 5/24/25 at 11:13 am to forkedintheroad
We have multiple people saying it’s the captain and others saying it’s the pilot who is in command.
The question is:
If the captain says forward and the pilot says reverse, who had the power at that moment? Does the captain relent or the pilot?
The question is:
If the captain says forward and the pilot says reverse, who had the power at that moment? Does the captain relent or the pilot?
This post was edited on 5/24/25 at 11:14 am
Posted on 5/24/25 at 11:22 am to GeauxTigers123
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“The pilot on the ship doesn’t know what caused the ship to be rapidly accelerating in a backward direction
It’s nacho fault when the riber pilot says you have to go back.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 11:43 am to WhiteMandingo
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It's all recorded on ships now I dont know about a sailboat
Didn't you just read about all ahead, forward and the ship was instead stuck in reverse (throttle)? It was not purely a sail boat. The sails weren't hoisted.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 12:26 pm to GeauxTigers123
Why didn't they use a tug like usual with tall ships?
Posted on 5/24/25 at 12:39 pm to Napoleon
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Why didn't they use a tug like usual with tall ships?
Tugs are there to work the ship on to and away from the dock. Most of the work is still done by the ship's engine and propellor. They had a tug there maybe just to nudge it off the dock, it's expected that the ship would pull away after that. Also, a modern 4000+ HP tug could easily damage a ship like that while maneuvering it.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 12:41 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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Who is in command when a pilot comes on board? The captain or the pilot?
Posted on 5/24/25 at 1:09 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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If the captain says forward and the pilot says reverse, who had the power at that moment? Does the captain relent or the pilot?
Unless the law says the person not at the controls must physically remove the person at the controls if it appears they are being negligent...a language I highly doubt exists...then ultimate responsibility should fall on whoever is pushing the buttons.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 1:16 pm to Cell of Awareness
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THe pilot does have complete command of the ship
I am not a maritime expert, but I know some. They disagree with this statement.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 1:33 pm to forkedintheroad
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A pilot has the legal responsibility to guide the crew properly in handling the vessel, but the Captain has ultimate responsibility for the vessel in entirety.
What responsibility is more "ultimate" than legal responsibility?
Captain can get fired but the pilot is the one sued into oblivion?
First of all, understand that a legally appointed Captain or Master IS the law on board a vessel underway. Read that again. No other legal authority at any level may override the Captain while he or she is in command of the vessel. This most assuredly includes pilots.
That out of the way, legally the pilot can be held liable only for purposely misrepresenting any facts that effect the safety of the personnel onboard or seaworthiness of the vessel. But outside of such misrepresentations, the pilot cannot be held responsible for any problems. That's the Captain's responsibility. As the Captain IS the law, everything is his responsibility because he is under the command of no boss, law officer, court or any other authority. Good, bad or indifferent, the buck stops with him. Always.
Imagine driving down the street with your mother-in-law in the back seat. If she gives you incorrect advice on how to drive the car and there's an accident, you are at fault. With a pilot on a vessel, it's the same thing except your piloting mother-in-law knows the streets very well and you have never been in that town. You may have a justifiable case of the red arse but you're still at fault.
Back to the accident discussed, here's the best explanation of what probably happened.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 2:25 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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If the captain says forward and the pilot says reverse, who had the power at that moment? Does the captain relent or the pilot?
The captain has ultimate authority over the vessel at all times, pilot on board or not.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 2:53 pm to WhiteMandingo
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It's all recorded on ships now I dont know about a sailboat
It wasnt a sailboat. And if they were not flying this, the Coast Guard should give them a fine
Posted on 5/24/25 at 2:54 pm to td1
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The captain has ultimate authority over the vessel at all times, pilot on board or not.
Ding ding ding
Posted on 5/26/25 at 8:23 am to Mo Jeaux
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I don’t think you know what an oxymoron is.
Prove it
Posted on 5/26/25 at 8:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
It may be in some places, but I sure as hell want a local pilot in the Mississippi.
It's a busy place with done tricky currents.
It's a busy place with done tricky currents.
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