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re: 30 year LEO weighs in on the ICE shooting in Minnesota
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:29 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:29 pm to Antonio Moss
No, federal agents do not have blanket authority to arrest anyone for any federal offense. Their powers are limited by the statutes that create their agency. ICE’s authority is immigration-based. Obstruction only applies if the agent is acting within lawful jurisdiction. You don’t get to invent authority by calling something a “federal operation.”
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:29 pm to rwestmore7
quote:
ICE has no lawful basis to detain you…immigration law
Nobody is claiming he exercised police power for an immigration law violation. She was breaking federal law by obstructing a federal law enforcement officer in the performance of his duties. If they were attempting to arrest her, she violated federal law by resisting arrest, possibly with physical force. Then, there is the whole separate issue of whether or not she intended to run him down.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:30 pm to rwestmore7
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If you are a U.S. citizen, ICE has NO LAWFUL BASIS to detain you under immigration law just because it suspects a violation of those laws.
Google AI
Yes, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers can arrest individuals for crimes beyond just immigration violations, especially if those crimes involve public safety threats like felonies or gang activity, or if the person is a non-citizen with criminal convictions, though their primary focus is immigration enforcement. ICE officers are federal law enforcement with authority to arrest for both immigration-related offenses and other crimes when committed in their presence or when there's probable cause, and they often work with local police to detain individuals with outstanding criminal warrants.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:32 pm to IndianPower
quote:
Please post less.
I did the math. He's posting 3 times per month since 2007.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:34 pm to beachdude
Obstruction and resisting arrest both require that the officer be engaged in the lawful performance of official duties and that the arrest itself be lawful. You cannot skip that step. ICE’s authority over a U.S. citizen is not automatic. If the underlying detention or attempt to control her movement was outside the agent’s statutory authority, then there is no lawful duty being obstructed and no lawful arrest to resist. And before someone says “they were lawfully conducting an immigration operation," that still does not give ICE jurisdiction over every bystander or U.S. citizen in the area. Being near a federal operation, criticizing it, or even warning others does not by itself create detention authority over a citizen. Authority has to exist as to that person before the alleged obstruction.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:34 pm to Timeoday
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There is something odd when a mother wants to attack a federal law enforcement agent for doing his job.
Operation Mockingbird has been the most remarkable success in the see eye A's dark history.
An entire army of Leftist Citizens from basement dwellers to Hollywood elites to soccer mom Karens has formed over time through indoctrination in our schools, media gaslighting and "celebrity" influence in pop culture.
That "mother" chose to leave her children in someone else's care so that she could go put herself in grave danger by interfering with federal law enforcement officers carrying out their constitutional duties to enforce federal laws.
That does not happen by accident. These people have been literally engineered and programmed for decades. It's important to understand the people who would happily see you murdered in the streets right along with the ICE agents. You're up against dehumanized machines running purely on Starbucks and negative emotions. They need Jesus, but the only time they'll mention Him is when His name comes up in a meme bashing conservatives.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:34 pm to Nurbis
That summary skips the key issue: authority over the person being detained.
ICE’s powers are statutory and limited. They are not general police for U.S. citizens. Obstruction only applies if the agent already had lawful jurisdiction over her. Being near an operation or warning others does not automatically create that authority.
ICE’s powers are statutory and limited. They are not general police for U.S. citizens. Obstruction only applies if the agent already had lawful jurisdiction over her. Being near an operation or warning others does not automatically create that authority.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:35 pm to rwestmore7
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If you are a U.S. citizen, ICE has NO LAWFUL BASIS to detain you under immigration law just because it suspects a violation of those laws.
So, you're trying to tell us that if a US Citizen is acting as a coyote and has 100 illegals in the back of an 18 wheeler and is stopped by an ICE agent, the ICE agent can't detain the coyote?
That's what you want to go with???
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:37 pm to bbvdd
That’s a strawman.
Your hypothetical involves a U.S. citizen committing a serious federal felony (alien smuggling under 8 U.S.C. § 1324), which IS CLEARLY within ICE’s statutory authority. That has nothing to do with the situation being discussed, which involves a U.S. citizen with no immigration violation and no underlying federal crime. My point has been the same the entire time: ICE must have lawful jurisdiction over the specific person before obstruction or resisting arrest can apply. You don’t get to invent authority by calling something a “federal operation.”
Try again.
Your hypothetical involves a U.S. citizen committing a serious federal felony (alien smuggling under 8 U.S.C. § 1324), which IS CLEARLY within ICE’s statutory authority. That has nothing to do with the situation being discussed, which involves a U.S. citizen with no immigration violation and no underlying federal crime. My point has been the same the entire time: ICE must have lawful jurisdiction over the specific person before obstruction or resisting arrest can apply. You don’t get to invent authority by calling something a “federal operation.”
Try again.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:44 pm to rwestmore7
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You don’t get to invent authority by calling something a “federal operation.”
But immigration enforcement IS a federal operation
And ICE is a federal law enforcement agency.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:47 pm to rwestmore7
ICE officers are federal law enforcement officers.
They can arrest someone just the same as the FBI or the US Marshals for breaking federal law.
Who told you differently? You probably shouldn’t trust them.
The cases would then get referred to the DoJ to prosecute in federal criminal court.
They can arrest someone just the same as the FBI or the US Marshals for breaking federal law.
Who told you differently? You probably shouldn’t trust them.
The cases would then get referred to the DoJ to prosecute in federal criminal court.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:51 pm to Timeoday
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There is something odd when a mother wants to attack a federal law enforcement agent for doing his job.
And to drive from several states away to do it all while her wife uses her phone to film it.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:52 pm to rwestmore7
You are losing so badly in this thread even SFP feels sorry for you.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:55 pm to rwestmore7
I will break it to you like this there cowboy.
I was a police officer for over 30yrs and I can tell you even as an officer in a local police dept and sheriffs dept I was commissioned thru 2 federal agencies.
They CAN and WILL arrest your arse.
FAFO
I was a police officer for over 30yrs and I can tell you even as an officer in a local police dept and sheriffs dept I was commissioned thru 2 federal agencies.
They CAN and WILL arrest your arse.
FAFO
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:56 pm to rwestmore7
8 USC 1357: Powers of immigration officers and employees
(a) (5) (B) to make arrests - for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony.
Obstruction is a felony.
Try Again
(a) (5) (B) to make arrests - for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony.
Obstruction is a felony.
Try Again
Posted on 1/8/26 at 3:59 pm to IndianPower
I’m sure you were a shoot first and ask questions later kind of officer too
Posted on 1/8/26 at 4:02 pm to rwestmore7
I would suggest you do some reading up on the laws and authority that applies to- perhaps the supreme court court decisions can help
You are not coming off as smart in this thread - perhaps sfp can help
You are not coming off as smart in this thread - perhaps sfp can help
Posted on 1/8/26 at 4:05 pm to rwestmore7
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you are a U.S. citizen, ICE has NO LAWFUL BASIS to detain you under immigration law just because it suspects a violation of those laws.
You liberals are truly fricking brain dead. He wasn't trying to arrest her cuz he thought that she was an illegal. They were going to arrest her cuz she put herself in the middle of a legal action.
Why don't you try this Sherlock. Next time you see cops with a car pulled over arresting someone why don't you try to place your vehicle between the cops and the arrestee and see how it goes for you.
You people are too stupid to fricking live on this planet any longer. You should volunteer to go to Mars.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 1/8/26 at 4:06 pm to L.A.
So she was in reverse is now their excuse? It takes a fraction of a second to go from reverse to drive. To put is plain English, you are in reverse until you’re not which in this case took less than a second.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 4:07 pm to SirWinston
quote:Life tip- when officers surround your car and tell you to get out, it's not optional to comply.
I still think she was focused solely on the officer her left who was screaming at her and trying to open the door.
She was not trying to kill the guy in front - probably didnt know he was there.
Not blaming the officer at all this was clearly a FAFO situation.
ICE agents have legal authority to make arrests, and they appeared to be in the process of doing that. Law enforcement officers carry weapons for a good reason- their lives are in danger whenever they confront and arrest a criminal. They apparently did just apprehend someone in a raid; so confronting and harassing them is the same thing to harassing any other officers making an arrest.
She was ordered to exit the vehicle and chose not to, this now becomes resisting arrest. She did so while operating an SUV, which has the potential of running over and killing someone- which makes it a deadly weapon. In the process of resisting arrest, she put the car into drive while an officer was in front of it, less than 10 feet away (as she did strike him). That's the equivalent of raising a loaded gun and pointing it at said officer, as far as escalation goes. She chose to resist and employ life-threatening force; she suffered the consequences for it.
If you are at a traffic stop and attempt to drive away forcefully, with your car pointed at a cop, you are just as likely to get shot.
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